fillet weld leg-length - TIG weld sheet metal

Hi everyone

Was wondering whether this argument that the fillet leg-length in a T-joint weld should be twice the thickness of the metal you are joining is correct or not...

When TIG uphill fillet welding stainless sheet, got both lack-of-penetration defects and burn-through defects (too-little-heat and too-much-heat) simultaneously.

I think my fillet is too large, certainly larger than necessary on mechanical strength grounds and I reasoned that there is a very simple argument for exactly how large a fillet should be. The fillet leg-length (the length across the 45degree face of the fillet) should be twice the sheet metal thickness, for the "throat thickness" to match the material thickness. I have illustrated it - last of three pix at

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So if you were welding 1/4inch plate, you would have a 1/2inch wide fillet, which would look fine, but when welding this sheet (16gauge,

1.6mm) you would have a fillet barely more than 1/8th inch (3.2mm), which would look quite small and "neat".

Thanks in advance.

Richard Smith

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Richard Smith
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Sounds plausible, but fillet size should vary according to what you are welding, what position and what strength is needed.

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Ernie Leimkuhler

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In practice, that may work, but for strength (i.e., the welding codes) the maximum fillet sizes are: for the base metal under / equal to 1/4": Tmax = thickness of plate for the base metal over 1/4": Tmax = thickness of plate - 1/16" This also goes for maximum sizes of lap joints - for over 1/4" you shouldn't burn the top edge.

Also, you mentioned lack of penetration defects - when you cut across a properly penetrated fillet, you should just melt the root - a full triangle of weld metal. Anything else is extra. To ensure that you get more base metal penetration (supposing that you actually need it...), you've moved into groove weld territory (away from fillets), and probably should bevel one of the plates.

Aside from all of the other reasons for overwelding, you should consider distortion - the more you weld in a spot, the greater the risk of distortion. By doing less, you get a better product.

-Rich

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Rich Jones

Actually, the leg is the two sides opposite the 45°, not to be picky, though this is how AWS defines it. In the case of a fillet, there would be two legs.

Richard

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AMW

What Rich Jones has written is technically correct but I think it needs a little explanation and context.

The "maximum" fillet size limit listed by Rich is only for LAP fillet welds, not for tee joint fillet arrangements such as the joint shown in the original post. The AWS D1.1 code includes this lap weld limit solely as an inspection aid. If the fillet weld on a lap joint is "full-sized", the top edge of the top lap plate is frequently subject to melting, therefore, making it difficult to verify (measure) the fillet weld size (either visually or with a fillet weld gauge). Note that the Code is not trying to establish the loading limits with this particular requirement. What was implied in the information by Rich Jones (and is explicit in the code) is that the fillet weld could be specified to be smaller than this based on the design conditions. The Code uses a restricted allowable stress for fillets (30% of the weld metal tensile strength). In other words, if the design loads were such that they were at the code limit of the base metal allowable stress, then a fillet weld would not be appropriate (a full penetration groove weld would be used instead). In fact, a single-sided fillet welded lap joint would not be possible under such a design case. For a tee-joint, a fillet weld might be possible, but it would become so large as to be normally impractical (again, a groove weld would be the appropriate choice).

Similarly, for ASME pressure vessels, they require a reduced joint efficiency factor of 55% for fillet welds (and also have a number of restrictions on where they can be used).

For pressure piping applications, a fillet-welded socket joint (normally used only for small diameter piping) would require the fillet weld leg length to be 1.25 times the pipe nominal thickness.

Therefore, for these "non-engineered" garage projects, the 2t weld face (or ~1.5 weld leg length) is probably an appropriate weld size selection. The original comment about weld sizes larger than this causing problems as well as being unecessary is an appropriate conclusion.

Tom Doody

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Tom Doody

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