"Where have all the CAD jobs gone??"

I always found my jobs by doing cold calls, call one day and ask what the company does and who the owner is, ask who the CAD manager is.

do this for several places one day and call back 2 or 3 days later and seek work.

Apparently Toronto!

New Zealand?

They have all gone to Bangumdesh and India for about $2.50 per hour.

How do you find a CAD

of CAD they use.

Are you really that busy in manufacturing in Toronto? That's the context the OP mentioned. Down here in Wisconsin our manufacturing has been decimated by the Chinese who one upped the Mexicans. I've seen photos in the newspaper of some Señorita crying because her high paying $100 a week job assembling auto parts is now being outsourced to somebody in Vietnam getting paid $15 a week. Probably a young girl no older than 12-14.

A/E/C is slowing down in the US. I met some guys from the UK in a restaurant yesterday who were here in Wisconsin to buy some construction equipment; a struggling niché that some manufacturers are still doing moderately well competing on the up and up with the Japanese simply because the Chinese haven't figured out how to steal designs for heavy equipment yet.

Apparently Toronto!

I can't speak for manufacturers, but the construction industry here is revving past the redline for some time. Anybody who can draw can get a job....for now.

India.

The Chinese don't have to steal anything. Most everything they want is given to them by some greedy cooperate type. They set them up and train them to make cheap products for them. The Chinese then have the technology and don't recognize international patent or copyright.

It won't last. Hadji and his pals are motivated and loyal but the software industry that was also affected learned that the quality of the work was garbage and the rates were quickly raised to the point that outsourcing to Hadji became more of a risk than it is worth. Now which Hadji can be trusted is a closely held secret as there is still lots of outsourcing going on but nowhere near as it was when it was first brought to the attention of most employees who had no clue until they were fired.

The same thing will happen to those outsourcing drafting services but that doesn't help people who are going to get fired in the meantime.

Those getting fired in the meantime have to have two things to survive: brains and balls. The smarter people will survive using their wits and their motivation to do what has to be done regardless of the stinking status quo. There are those who absolutely must remain employees at least for some period of time but they will prepare themselves for independence as soon as possible. These smarter people will not even work for employers anymore and leave employment as soon as possible. F*ck employers, F*ck them one and all. Leave them in the lurch. Self-employment owning a product or a service is how to destroy outsourcing and the rat employers that stabbed everybody in the back. Simply do not show up for work on Monday. Ever again.

They have all gone to Bangumdesh and India for about

Another point I have seen is the number of normal drawings dropping. What I mean is :

1 P&ID drawing would spawn 15 to 30 loops, now employers say they just want to live with only the P&ID.

I have seen details on Architectural drawings called our to drawings that don't exist because they cut costs and didn't make them.

On 1 job they put the ceiling layout, lighting layout and floor tile layout all on one print to supposedly save.

Employers taking these actions have hurt jobs

Not exactly. Company A sees that it can build it cheaper and make more profits. Company A may not even be an American company. Company B who manufactured in the US sees no way to compete with A's prices, so it closes down its US plant and has product produced on foreign soil. It is a global economy and The US can only blame itself. The average US consumer wants to pay bottom dollar for products, want $20+ dollar an hour salary. We (US citizen) want to live like kings with our $25K+ average cars and amenity filled houses. $20+ dollar union plant jobs don't cut it anymore.

Enjoy it while it lasts, the glory days are nearly over.

-S

what kind of CAD people are needed in NZ?

What abt Inventor users?

You really don't have a clue, do you?

No he doesn't !!

Apparently I have a better clue than you. I can name dozens of cases where a company ceased production and moved manufacturing to China or some other country due to the high costs of labor.

Amen brother!