On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:58:26 -0000, "Billy H" Gave us:
Including you, with your "I crossed this to yada yada yada group, where you quoted the entire 110 line post... again.
If you want to be so conformal, why don't you learn a little about this forum called Usenet that you have decided to invade?
Where is you other post, that'd sit well in here too.
It was a totally relevant cross posting, why you didn't reply with what you said earlier is beyond me, it'd maybe educate any wannaba lawyers in there some.
Anyway if I carry on like this I'll be more of a hypocrite than I laready am.
"Billy H" wrote in message news:43e651a9$0$6992$ snipped-for-privacy@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
Just for the record, that was a form of apology for cross posting your message.
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:24:42 -0000, "Billy H" Gave us:
"here"? Where is "here"? Are you new to Usenet?
uk.legal
yes my first time!!
... : : Otherwise, you aren't any better than anyone else, and particularly : not any better than anyone you deride here.
Well, I dunno 'bout that: if you're included, then he's certainly better than you, that's a given. Fuchsy is a closed mind with a large bowel, I'm afraid. Nuff said
Translation: "WHAAAAAAAAAAA! MOMMY!"
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:08:07 GMT, "Pop" Gave us:
Problem is, you haven't said a damned thing, s*it mouth.
Ignore Fuchs. If you challenge his "perfection" he'll simply slither away and you'll feel dirty in the morning.
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:03:55 -0500, Keith Gave us:
Unlike yourself. You ARE dirty every morning, noon, and night.
Your stalking baby bullshit proves it.
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:12:01 GMT, "Pop" Gave us:
snipped CRAP
Some of you retards post some stupid s*it. You posted over 80 lines of crap to add your CRAP to it as a top post. If you were any more of a Usenet retard, I'd say that you came into this group from alt.usenet.kooks.
Also, I find it amusing that you spend time hunting up folks' posts. You should go back to jacking off if you have that much time on your hands, "pop".
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:22:18 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
You know your crap, intimately.
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:08:54 -0600, DrPostman Gave us:
No. I know that you're crap. No intamacy required.
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:03:00 GMT, "Pop" Gave us:
Interesting that you STILL don't know what a top post is, and are too much a goddamned lazy, retarded f*ck to take the time to conform to the conventions of this forum that you so readily invade.
Could you be any more retarded? I'm sure you'll try!
Before I retired I was an electronics design Engineer. I remember one time I ran into a situation where I was wondering if the wires ought to be soldiered before being placed into a connector. I checked with both the vendor (probably Molex) and our manufacturing department. I remember the answer was a resounding NO. You never soldier wires that are going to be placed in a connector.
However, sometime around 1980, after I had just moved into the house I'm in now, I had a problem with a three-way switch that didn't work in my basement and the basement was completely sheet rocked. The previous owner/amateur electrician had fouled up on the wiring. A couple of years later, I had to remove the sheet rock underneath a cold air return to facilitate the addition of a new room and I was able to fish some wire through the ceiling and fix the problem. However, this necessitated a connection that would be covered by sheet rock (no lectures please). So I put the wires in an electrical box and twisted them and put a light coat of soldier on them. Then I put wire nuts on top of that. That was 25 years ago and I have never had any problems.
In regard to aluminum house wiring (single-strand), aluminum wiring is very dangerous when used inside of a house. It's one of the easiest way I can think of to get your house burned down. Putting copper and aluminum together causes a corrosive chemical reaction. It's use should be restricted to service entrance wires only and even then you should double check to make sure the connector is marked for aluminum. As I recall, these special connectors are marked "AL/CU".
If you happen to be unfortunate enough to have single-strand aluminum wire inside your house, then you need to make sure that all of the connectors (switches and outlets) are marked "AL/CU". These special switches and outlets are relatively expensive. If you need to connect an aluminum wire and copper wire together, there are special wire nuts available for doing that (also expensive). There is also some antioxidant cream available that you can use for copper/aluminum connections.
On 6 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.co.uk Gave us:
You won't see a solder creep issue with that scenario. For one thing, the twisted SOLID strand wires cinch together fairly tightly even before they are soldered. Then, the CONICAL wire nut will likely always have more than enough pressure on the union for solder creep to never be a problem. Finally, the joint itself, by your own description only has a very light fill. For the solder creep to become a big problem, there would have to be so much of it that the cross sectional area of it is thick enough that solder creep could even be an issue. Also, solder creep also likes some constant stress be on the joint. The twisted SOLID wire bundles likely have no mechanical stress on them in several locations throughout the twisted assembly.
Though not spec, I see a very carefully constructed union like this as not being a problem. That is a personal view though, and an actual inspection would be required for me to conclude that the joints are truly integral.
On 6 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.co.uk Gave us:
I agree with this. I hate Al wiring as the connections are not gas tight, and heat more than copper nodes do.
I have also seen many folks die in Al wired commercial establishments. The AL was not the immediate culprit. loose, improperly install unions were. However, copper unions sporting the same issues don't heat up as much, and would likely have never generated the fatal problem.
On 6 Feb 2006 23:47:50 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.co.uk Gave us:
Yes, and ALL nodes being very tight is paramount.
Running an all copper refit will improve the house value, and be safer and better, however.
The best information I have seen on making aluminum wire branch circuit connections and fixing old installations is at:
Aluminum oxide, an insulator, forms very rapidly on a clean aluminum surface. Its formation is produced by the high reactivity of aluminum, not aluminum to other metal contact.
Devices for aluminum wire are marked CO/ALR.
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