Earth Rotation Providing Free Electricity

Possibility of getting electrical energy from the rotation of the Earth through its own magnetic field.

The homopolar generator has a conducting disc rotating along with an axially mounted cylinder magnet; the disc is cemented near the pole of the magnet. Rotating through the magnetic field, a potential difference is between the center of the disc and its rim. Brushes pick up voltage here. The Earth is doing essentially the same thing; it rotates through its own magnetic field. The Earth?s oceans near the poles are conductors, moving through the Earth's magnetic field, containing positive and negative salt water ions. There should be a separation of charge in the ocean, near the poles. There could be a potential difference between the ocean water near the poles and any grounded wire on land at the same lattitude. Cables could be used connecting these two places and you could get a constant supply of direct current, provided by the Earth?s rotation through its own magnetic field. The ions in the sea water near the end of the cable should be constantly replenished providing a constant voltage. Near the poles, the magnetic field should be stronger as it is with a magnet. Also, the cable near the poles would be cold, causing the electrical resistance in the cable to decrease. [Because the cable is parallel to the lattitude, there should be no back emf to cancel out the effect.] Near the poles the field lines are coming up out of the Earth. [Emf is generated perpendicular to the motion through the field and perpendicular to the field lines. The separation of charge moves in this direction.]

In this case it would not be a closed circuit. It would be like picking up volage from the different terminals of a battery. Just like the charge is separated in the rotating disk at the pole of the magnet, the salt water aound the polar region, rotating through polar field lines (going upward) would cause a separation in positive and negative ions of sodium and chlorine; the separation would be close to the ice cap and the other charge pushed away from it southward. This should cause an electrical potential difference in these two regions of water. Running a cable from the seawater near the pole, to a ground wire on land at the same lattitude, should produce electrical current, if the potential in that water and the potential in the ground wire is different enough. Emf is produced perpendicular to the field lines and the motion through the field. The only emf produced in a cable, by it moving through the field, that is running parallel to lattitude would be from one side of the cable to the other side; IT WOULD NOT BE ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE CABLE. So, there should be no back current to interfere with the current between the sea water and the ground line. The electrical potential in the sea water would continually be re supplied by more ions as the sea water rotated through the magnetic field of the Earth. Magnetic field is probably stronger near the poles and the cold temperature would reduce resistence in the cable. I think it should be investigated to see if there is a potential difference between sea water near the north pole and a ground wire on land at the same lattitude. What I described to you is picking up voltage between two points, like it is with a car battery. This is not a coil, like you have in an induction generator. That is why I am using the h*mo-polar generator as the model, to try to get electricity from the motion of the Earth through its own magnetic field. See telluric currents. There are natural earth currents called telluric currents, and these might also be caused by the Earth rotating through its own field. - this is also another line of investigation, to find a source of electricity from the Earth's rotation.

Any direct current obtained from the Earth's rotation could be used to turn a direct current motor attached to an alternating current generator, to produce AC current. The AC can be fed into a city's power lines.

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stone2
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On 7 Mar 2004 08:40:03 GMT, "stone2" Gave us:

Your basic self winding watch has a higher yield.

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DarkMatter

Stop right there. The Earth's magnetic field moves *with* the planet. No relative motion between magnetic field and oceans. No voltage induced. End of ball game.

(consider, the north magnetic pole stays in the same place, day in and day out. Although it does 'wander' from year to year, this motion is much too slow for any sort of electrical production)

daestrom

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daestrom

I recall hearing somewhere that the Electrical Utilities in Canada sometimes experience problems with their North-South Transmission lines due to the "earth's rotation induced voltage by cutting the earth's magnetic field". Supposedly, it is not of a trivial magnitude.

Anyone know the details?

Beachcomber

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Beachcomber

bUT YOU KNOW that DM could wrap wires around the moon and as it rotates about the earth it could cut those magnetic lines of force and generate a voltage which DM could transmit back to earth and light every home in the world.

Go to it DM And while you are on the moon wrapping wires, send me a post card.

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bushbadee

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:28:26 GMT, "bushLAMEee" Gave us:

Whatsa matta, retard boy? Still pissed because you are a clueless twit about HV diode stacks? Even though you had occasion to work with them even... Sad... sad indeed. Go back to stewing. The group was much quieter.

It took this twit how many years to wise up and drop AOL?

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DarkMatter

Hey Dontmatter (a top post just for you)

You seem to have a major problem with many company's i.e.... AOL,Lindows,Microsoft to name a few, You probably only dislike them because your friend (god forbid anyone is that stupid!) hates them as well. Why don't you just stick to not using what you don't like and stop tagging your bullshit onto posts which have nothing to do with them!

Col.

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Col

You could get just as much "free" energy by bottling cattle farts.... // tbh

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Tim Heise

Actually, I think it is because of the Aurora. The charged particles from solar flares that are diverted towards the magnetic poles can be a problem on long transmission lines in very high latitudes. Especially during high solar activity.

daestrom

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daestrom

| Stop right there. The Earth's magnetic field moves *with* the planet. No | relative motion between magnetic field and oceans. No voltage induced. End | of ball game. | | (consider, the north magnetic pole stays in the same place, day in and day | out. Although it does 'wander' from year to year, this motion is much too | slow for any sort of electrical production)

You'd probably do better to grab power from the rotation of the earth and the day night cycle causing disturbances in the atmosphere's pressure gradients.

Oh wait ...

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phil-news-nospam

Huh? This is the stuff of urban legend, but you would have to be damn dense not to realize that Canada's N-S transmission lines rotate at the same rate as does the Earth's magnetic field, hence no cutting of magnetic field lines can exist, plus the transmission lines and the Earth magnetic field lines both run in the same approximate direction.

Still, nice troll! :-)

Harry C.

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Harry Conover

Yes, and the transmission line from Fairbanks, Alaska to Anchorage supposedly has experienced this problem as told to me by Professor Opal at the U of A. She wrote a dissertation on this. Also, the trans-Alaska pipeline has been evaluated for induced current from the Aurora as told to me by Professor Barrett (deceased) of the U of A.

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Mr. Smith

in article 404adfe3 snipped-for-privacy@news1.uncensored-news.com, stone2 at snipped-for-privacy@ineedhits-mail.com wrote on 3/7/04 12:40 AM:

I seldom read such posts, including this one, in their entirety. I just cannot stand the scientific nonesense. To make a homopolar generator out of the earth all you need is a circuit from the pole to a brush on the equator with a load in between. When you make the equator brush, I will be willing to talk some more.

Bill

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Repeating Rifle

--------- The problems are not due to that. They result from field variations due to solar flares which produce "long" DC transients which can cause saturation of cores in (grounded Y) transformers supplying long N-S lines. Not trivial but not due to rotation of the earth and little energy involved. This problem was first noticed in Sweden and later became apparent in Quebec. Much of this was discussed in publications in the '80's. There are papers in CIGRE and also in Transactions of the Canadian Electrical Association.

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Don Kelly

The point that you're evidently missing is that in the case of a homopolar generator, the magnetic field lines are orthogonal to the conductive disk. Their is also radial motion of the disk with respect to the magnetic field lines.

For the earth to accomplish the same effect, the conductive disk would cut through the earths at its equator, then remain fixed in space as the earth rotates, plus you would have to extract energy from one terminal on at it's center and a brush contact on its perimeter.

I view this as a challenging task to accomplish! :-)

Harry C.

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Harry Conover

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:43:25 GMT, Repeating Rifle Gave us:

Even a long conductive line into space perpendicular to earth would likely generate quite a stream of electrons, even with no return path hehe ;-]

Think about it. (well, not at the poles)

Ever seen the films of "sprites" from the shuttle missions?

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DarkMatter

On 7 Mar 2004 18:27:42 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@ipal.net Gave us:

The best thing would be to use a much stronger force. The force of gravity.

The moon's gravity makes tides. They lift hundreds of thousands of tons of water to higher elevations. That is a LOT of kinetic energy.

All one needs do is box in a beach, lift up the last flap after the tide has peaked, and hold it until the tide goes back out, and use the water to run generators or small pumps that lift smaller amounts of water to higher tanks that will power more powerful pumps due to the increased kinetic energy exhibited.

So, move two full shelves of tons of water down two feet through pump turbines which pump a smaller water vessel full. After a couple days cycling, the tank is filled, and a release cycle can begin driving generators as the third shelf of captured tidewater is pumped into the tank as well. There isn't gobs and gobs of juice there, but as we know with the wind driven generators, every little bit helps.

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DarkMatter

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