GFCI again

Jan 08, 2004 13 Replies

Today, I had to sign for someone because he needed to re-get electricity in his premises to lent them.The new greek internal installation code says that it is compulsory to install a GFCI breaker in the service panel.So I had to.But the guy got really mad at me, probably because he thought it would be too expensive, and said he would find another electician.And I needed 6 hours on the PC, autocad, to make the damned plan!At least, after a lot of thinking, he hired me, fortunately, and the union got 67 euro,part of which at the end of the year will be mine.In EU we don't have GFCI outlets.Only breakers.


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BTW,GFCIs are called here RCCBs-Residual Current Circuit Breaker.The term in greek would be literally greek to you.They can be wired either way-load up and supply down or the other way.

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So what are RCD protected socket outlets ?

sQuick..

In the UK we have both types. Our GFCI outlets are expensive though, more expensive than a single GFCI panel breaker, which can cover many outlets.

You can buy plug-in GFCI's here easily, and they're cheap.

That's amazing on this side of the pond you could buy 3-5 GFCI receptacles for the price of one GFCI breaker. And the GFCI outlets can protect downstream non-GFCI receptacles.

Mike. Mike

In the UK, GFCI outlets don't have any connection for downstream protected outlets. It wouldn't make much sense, as our outlets are normally connected in a ring circuit anyway.

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outlets.Only

I've never seen them.

Take a look here

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sQuick..

Really?

So if you want to add an outlet you have to loop both sides of the "ring" to the new outlet?

Seens wasteful to me.

Note that in the US, better quality GFCI (still less that $10 each) have ways of chaining with the line or load side. The electrician only has to strip 1/2" of the wire, poke it in the hole, and tighten the screw.

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You can add an extra outlet by tapping off the ring, but usually as the ring is fused at 32amps its not wasteful, but safer to take both sides of the ring to every socket.

sQuick..

You don't have to. You can create spurs off the ring. Generally, a newly installed ring won't have any spurs, but later additions are often done that way.

And on the basis that two cables take up little more space than one, rather than taking a spur, you can extend the ring after dividing it at the point that would otherwise have been the spur take-off. But be careful, just as there are limitations on the number of spurs, there are also limitations as to the maximum size of a ring.

Interesting. In the aviation field RCCB stands for Remote Controlled Circuit Breaker.

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