Care to share the chemical reaction that allows "water" to power cars? I'm curious to see how much energy you can "create" using water as a source of fuel. :O|
(For those that know the answer already - please don't spoil my fun...)
They are called Hydrogen Powered. Still a stupid idea. Electric Cars work better. Invest in batteries.
Has someone done an energy and pollution balance for producing the batteries themselves and the electricity to charge them vs the amount of energy use/pollution they reduce? Just curious.
In particular, I have a feeling that if all gasoline-powered cars in existence were to have batteries for them made, the resulting pollution would be one of astonishing scale. Just a hunch though, no hard data.
DK
You sure they are not cold fusion-based? Thermonuclear would be difficult to AC during hot summer months.
DK
Its definitely the high temp version. And yes, the temperature does cause comfort problems at times.
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:12:51 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote: >
Actually they are water powered. Hydroelectric.
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Oh, that makes sense. Then my computer is also water powered.
If you include the balance for production of the batteries, electric cars don't do particularly well. But there's an enourmous mis-match in manufacturing volume between batteries and IC engines, so it sort of oranges-to-apples.
Tom.
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The Minnesota legislature, not known for missing an opportunity to tax or regulate anything, has been floating the idea of doing away with the fuel tax altogether and instead taxing on miles driven.
The scheme requires hardware to be installed in all vehicles, plus readers to be installed .
To give you a fair answer, I read in a german magazine that came to the conclusion:"The only *real* electric vehicles are either a tram or an E-Lok (electric train locomotive),since they draw their current directly from the grid" (with the cetenary, of course).(Sie nehmen den Strom direkt von der Leitung ab).Of course, since a car engine is rated in ~120 kW, it would be
*very* inefficient to power it from batteries.With a cetenary, yes, but that's impossible for cars.(Not start talking about SUVs and limos, of course).Actually, internal combustion engines are a small miracle, making all this mass of iron, complete with 5 passengers and luggage, move at 80 mph...If you're looking for real electric vehicles, check the german ICE (Inter City Express) train (13,000 HP, normal traveling speed 200 km/h)the french TGV (max speed 300 km/h)the japanese shinkansen...-- Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
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Yes-in fact all large diesel engines (above 10,000 HP) warm up with diesel oil and then burn mazut, which is a lot cheaper.(Diesel engines of this yield come in 2 stroke and 4 stroke versions, are used in railway, ships and electricity generating-look at
Not worse that any supercritical steam technology-brown coal, natural gas, black coal and mazut-33% of the energy contained in the fuel is turned into electricity.The main advantage is running a 1500 MVA (~1100 MW) turbo generator for 2 years with just a couple of tons of uranium that otherise would decay in the ground or turned into nuclear bombs.No CO2 emission-only these nuclear wastes, but properly bound in glass or beton and kept out of reach can be manageable.So, there's no panachea or easy answer-just a combination of some large scale energy generating means.
I agree absolutely.
I don't know if you know that, but in Athens (mostly) there are taxis that run on LPG (Liquified Petroleum Gas).You know the fires in the refineries is the surplus LPG being burnt?In my holiday home, we have an LPG range-almost two birds with one stone.We can cook when there's no power-and you can store LPG, unlike electricity.
-- Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
The thing that tips the balance, somewhat, is the government has not started charging road tax on the power used in a plug in electric.
What energy source refills the reservoirs?
The same one that powered the formation of carbon chains in oil.
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Rewarding gas guzzlers, interesting idea.
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Planning for the time when few(er) cars actually burn gas.
And, why is not taking something from someone the same as rewarding them?
If a mugger leaves you with your watch, do you now consider the watch a gift from him?
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By going to a mileage-based tax, you're shifting the "burden" to the person who is using the resources that the gas tax was supposed to be paying for, namely the roads.
Of course, the Minnesota legislature, not being one to miss an opportunity to tax or regulate anything, is also rasing the gas tax by US$0.10/gallon; it's already passed in the House.
When you cut the tax on driving a hummer by 70% it is certainly a reward (assuming the Prius guy's tax stays the same or goes up) This will be revenue neutral or perhaps higher revenue (when do taxes actually go down?) You are just shifting the burden to the guy who has a fuel efficient car.
The heavier the vehicle, the larger the impact on the road and the more fuel they burn. It is simple and elegant.
I guess its all solar power one way or another. ;-)
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