Question about getting started in the business.

Definitely one of the best ways to learn, if you're serious about this.

To go about finding an apprenticeship: It's a job search. Yes, call up (or call on) locksmiths, tell them that you're looking for a beginner position and that you're willing to work hard for them in exchange for the opportunity to learn.

Don't be surprised if the first question they ask is whether you're willing to take auto-lockout work, which is probably the least pleasant part of the trade. Don't be surprised if the first question they ask you is whether you're willing to work the store counter/stocking/sweeping -- the gruntwork needs to be done, and if you're serious you'll be willing to do it.

On the other hand, it's legitimate to ask how long it might be before you graduate to other kinds of jobs, and how much instruction you'll get along the way.

If they're looking for employees -- not all are, at any given time -- they'll be looking for someone who is willing to work hard, eager to learn, pleasant to work with... and it helps if the prospective has some knowledge/skills coming in.

Obviously if you have other skills which might be useful in the shop -- computers, welding, carpentry, etc. -- play those up too.

In fact, you might want to do this right and start by drawing up a resume. Even if they never ask you for one or wave it off when you offer it, the exercise of trying to enumerate what you're looking for and why you're the right person to hire will help prepare you for going out and selling yourself.

Good luck!

yes... then, UNLESS the town/area is big, do not set up shop in 'competition' with your mentor..

save LOTS of money for a store front, too --Shiva--

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Matt, when I first finished a home study locksmith course. I realized that it was a very small first step and much more was to be learned. I went around to the local smiths. the first two didn't need any help. I told the third one, which happened to be the largest in town at the time, that I just finished a home study course. I admitted that I was NOT a locksmith but would work for FREE as long as I could if he would give me a chance to prove myself. he told me that he really wasn't needing anyone at the time but he would give me a chance to prove myself and see what happens. he also paid me. I was lucky enough to apprentice from four CML's at the same time. needless to say, I was learning at warp speed. like Joe Kesselman stated, I was also stocking/sweeping and doing the grunt work that needed to be done. I worked for that shop for 5 years, learning every aspect of the business that I could, including helping the book-keeper do statements, and buying all the needed tools for my own business. the beginning of the 6th year, I started out on my own and never looked back. stayed 'mobile only' the entire time. I even sub-contracted some work from my mentor that trained me. that was 22+ years ago. locksmithing has been good to me over the years. it was NOT easy. it was hard, time consuming and constant work. it had its ups and downs like most any 'service' business. I retired at the age of 45 and have turned the business over to one of my son-in-laws. I still work a little for him when I have the time. guess it remains in my blood :-)

g'luck I always looked at it as a 'service business' and 'service' was what I was selling. I say you 'will' get out of it what you put into it.

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Matt,

This is good advice, allow me to add that you are not likely to have a second opportunity to make a good impression, so arrive well groomed and have a little sales brochure made up to give your prospective employer something to look at.

Also be aware that even if the boss is not at the shop at the time you call, the person that is there might be a well regarded employee that may be asked for his/her opinion about you so be cordial.

You might also consider asking people you know and think well of you to give you an introduction to their locksmith. The guy you worked for scooping ice cream might go to a lodge meeting or something with a prospective employer and put in a good word for you. This networking is why most employment positions filled never get published in the paper.

A few years ago I decided to get out of management and find a profession I'd enjoy. While combing through the Help Wanted ad's I saw a listing for a "Locksmith trainee", so I brought in my resume, did a quick interview, and was learning the trade four days later. I was lucky, in that I was PAID to learn the trade from day one, by a reputable company that had been in business for 27+ years. Not everyone is so fortunate, but you may want to keep you eye on the want ad's just in case something pops up. Other than that, if you live in a big city stop by some of the local security products distributors, many have bulletin boards with listings for shops in need of help. They may even allow you to place an ad of your own up there, offering your services as an apprentice.

A word of warning though: While locksmithing is interesting and challenging work, and most of us involved in the profession love what we do, there are some downsides you should prepare yourself for.

1) The customers you deal with in this line of work are frequently... well... "out there". While this can be entertaining sometimes, it can also drive you to the point of insanity when your having one of those days where nothing is going right. 2) Being on-call 24 hours a day (which is not uncommon) can wear you down to the point where the last thing on earth you want to see in another lock. Just be ready to work an 8-10 hour day, then get up at 1:00am to unlock someones car, then be back to work bright an early in the morning.

But, despite that, its a great job. Best of luck to you!

Majestic

Most communities have agencies that sponsor small business planning classes, like SBA for one. Along with an apprenticeship, a course like this will help you analyze the market in your area and someday write up a business plan.

I recently finished one and it was time well spent.

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Id just like to thank all who replied with insight and stories of how they got started in locksmithing. I know it can be hard work and I am willing to work my way up from the bottom.

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If you want to do an apprentice training, I'd suggest that you will likely work for minimum wage for the period of training. Locksmithing has a lot of doing the same thing over and over. Duplicate keys. And such. You can expect to do a lot of very basic things for the first few weeks, such as sweep the shop, and grind keys.

Look at it from the shop's point of view. They are training the guy who is going to hang out his shingle and compete with them. Might make them a bit more comfortable if you offer them a full year of employment.

Hint: Don't ask anyone to teach you how to pick locks. At least not the first few weeks.

Yep, call them all up. Send resumes. Stop by in person.

Hint: There are a LOT of tools that are advertised which are simply not needed. Better to get on a job and discover you need something (and go buy it). Sure beats buying a lot of useless tools you'll never need.

Us guys on the board oughta work up a list of basic tools we use all the time. I'll get started.

Some good lists went by a few months ago. I saved a copy, but I'm not sure where. Search the archives?

One thing I learned is that locksmithing has a lot of different specialties. It is not necessary to be good at all of them. A few examples:

Installing residential deadbolts Rekeying residential deadbolts and knobs Rekeying and master keying Adams Rite locks Rekeying and master keying panic hardware Rekeying and master keying motel locks Rekeying and master keying commercial hardware like factories or apartment complexes Remaking lost keys to office equipment Installing window locks Installing Adams Rite locks (existing hole, or cutting new holes) Rekeying door or ignition locks to cars Remaking lost keys to car locks Replacing car door locks which have stopped working because of road salt (I've done a bunch). Changing combinations on safes Work with interchangable cores -- pinning and master keying

Please note, that nothing on this (above) list is considered "unlocking" or picking. Unlocking or picking opens up a whole new list of services.

There are a great deal of locksmiths listed in the yellow pages here. I want to brush up and practice everything I have learned before I start calling around so that I might have an edge being able to do some things. As I stated before though I am willing to work my way up even if it means pushing a broom and answering phones. The every day shop keeping work is well worth the knowledge that can be gained from someone with experience. One concern I did have though was how do I know the locksmith I end up with is knowledgable and reputable? There are alot of new locksmiths listed in the edition of the yellow pages I have. One listing is someone I know, but do not feel I would benifit learning from. He learned from DVDs at home and opened his own shop. I have thought that if all else fails and I cannot find a job with a locksmith willing to take me on that I might have to try to go it alone. It has to be possible, but I would rather learn the ins and outs from a seasoned pro.

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see how many YEARS he has been in business... the older the better.. and PERSONALLY, I discount most shops UNDER 5 years..

--Shiva--

I have realized this. :) They do have the age of some companies listed in the yellow pages.

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if they don't list that info in the yellow pages? ask em..

And dont forget that the time in buisness in the yellow pages may or may not be true. Dont use that as your only way of checking. Check the BBB and talk to buisness leaders in your community if it is a small town. Stuff like that too.