100 Million Tons of Li

Can Li be cheaply extracted from sea water?
Bret Cahill

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Not likely, but if you do try it:
1. You'd make more profit selling bottled water and sea salt as byproducts
2. Aim for operations close to a hydrothermal vent, to get up to 7 ppm lithium. http://www.enclabs.com/lithium.html
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So we're stuck with lead acid batteries?
Bret Cahill
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You can wait for the NiMH patents to expire... or hey, invent your own batteries. Magnesium ion, maybe? Plenty of magnesium in seawater. Even better yet... sodium ion!
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Have you seen the temperatures those sodium-sulphur batteries operate at ? Don't let them get cold or the car won't go in the morning.
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The idiots have always been, and will always be stuck with lead acid batteries. Which is of course why the people with Engineering-Technology Economic Future brains are still working on Adaptive Pv Cell Arrays. RISC++ ,Parallel Processors, USB, XML, CD+rw, DVD-rom DVD-ram, Post AT&T Fiber Optics, GPS, AAVs, AUVs, Digital Terrain Mapping, Drones, Post McDonald's Holograms, Optical Computers, laser-guided lasers, Microwave Ovens, Epublishing. On-Line Publishing, Neo Wind Energy, Biodiesel, Post Ford Batteries, and Post GM Robotics.

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Bret Cahill wrote:

It seems we're stuck with you and your MORONIC dead-end loser ideas.
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Bret Cahill wrote:

Why Li? The EV1 used to have a range up to 100 miles on lead acid batteries and 150 miles on NiCads. So why can't the Volt do better than 40 miles????????? Because it rigged not to work.
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Claude Hopper wrote:

He needs it for his meds?
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IanM wrote:

He said 'Millions', not 'Trillions'!
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Claude Hopper wrote:

You've utterly missed the point of the Volt (and the Opel Flextreme and hybrids in general). 40 miles is a sensible commuting distance. It doesn't NEED to do more on battery power, so why make it more expensive (higher battery replacement costs) and heavy (batteries are very heavy for their energy density) for range you only use on long journeys when the ICE can take over ?
The EV1 only sat TWO PEOPLE btw. Not exactly a practical car. It was also economically totally unviable. The Volt is a compact but full-size car in comparison. We don't know the cost yet but it WILL be lower in real terms than the EV1.
"The Gen 1 cars got 55 to 75 miles (90 to 120 km) per charge with the Delco-manufactured lead-acid batteries" btw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ev1
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Eeyore wrote:

No it's not. I used to commute 50 miles one way. That leaves me a little short. If the Tesla can go 250 miles and the EV1 could go 100 on lead acid, like I said, what's wrong with GM? You know they are anti-electric. People who had EV1's loves them so they got taken away and crushed. Had they gone into production they would have improved substantially. The Volt will be prices at 40K+. You also know that GM COULD copy Tesla's hand made car at 98K and mass produce them for 40K. I think Exxon/Mobil's dick is too far up GM's butt.
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Claude Hopper wrote:

No it doesn't. The ICE kicks in for last 10 miles. That's the *whole point* !
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Claude Hopper wrote:

Quite possibly, although I'm doubtful about the battery costs. But it's still a 2 seater. Besides GM can't buy ANYTHING right now least of all the rights to a car they might not exist to manufacture.
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Keep in mind that Graham is in England, a tiny little place. Forty miles is half way across their country! His perspective is different than ours where one county can be 20,000 sq miles.
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Bob Eld wrote:

And most of it is up hill! ;-)
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snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.net says...

Both directions.
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krw wrote:

And covered with ice six months out of the year. All of the odd months.
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

What a strange comment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plockton .
Been there btw. You don't see palm trees much in Britain never mind in Scotland.
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Eeyore wrote:

Dumb Donkey doesn't understand US humor. "Oh, Yeah? Well, I had to walk 25 miles one way to school. It snowed every other day, and it was up hill in both directions!" Its something you tell a kid who is complaining about something silly. This really fits with you because the kids don't get it, either.
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