Need Ideas On How To Close A Water Tap At 1.5 N.m Torque

I don't see why this couldn't work. I would dump the constant torque clutch for the reason you are aware of. You could set the stall torque current of the motor seperately in the forward and reverse directions for the required torque value.

The open torque could be set X2 or X3 higher, because it would be transient. A sensor on the shaft to count revolutions might be helpful - to enforce that 90% open condition.

Brian W

Some faucets are rising stem. The stem could actuate a switch, or be part of a low voltage detector circuit. Some faucets only open on fractions of a single rotation, (like bathroom faucets) so a modified 4-bar mechanism could be made to service these.

David A. Smith

"If you were going to design the system that opens and closes the obturator, how would you do it?"

I would either do it myself or hire an experienced mechanical engineer.

Sounds like you need an experienced mechanical engineer.

Am I correct in assuming that these "water taps" a going to be made by the

How about an air ram driving a rack and pinion, regulate closing pressure to limit the close torque, reverse can be at a higher pressure if needed, with a limit switch at each end to reverse direction. You probably need a short delay on the closing switch reverse to ensure the full closing torque is reached.

-- Jonathan

Barnes's theorem; for every foolproof device there is a fool greater than the proof.

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There are systems out there for setting torque on bolts, specifically, look into connecting rod equipment. I think Bosch makes a system. These are very reliable, and are electronic, not breaking torque, so the return should be no issue. The feedback to the PLC is also no issue, since the unit would have outputs available.

Thanks Bob, we do have a mechanical engineer on board the team. Its just a question of deciding on the most viable approach and the mechanical engineer will then go design it. My post is meant to look for input from experienced engineers such as yourself.

These taps will be for the mass market, but the test is only on a sample basis.

Thanks, Manvinder

Brian, Thaks for the input. I am inclined to follow this path too, where a DC motor's current is limited to control the torque it can output. Then on reverse, the current limit can be set to a higher level.

Except I havent done this before. Do you have any experience with this and can you tell if the system will have good repeatability and reliability? I really can't imagine anything going wrong with this method.

Anybody out there who has more input on this method?

Thanks Manvinder

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David, Thanks for your reply. This faucet does not have a rising stem. It takes less than one turn from closed to fully open. I have no problems detecting the open position (just use an inductive proximity sensor aligned to the actuator and connect that to the PLC).

I am looking for more input on the closing (and subsequent reopening) of the faucet to the specified torque.

BTW, whats a 4-bar mechanism?

Thanks Manvinder

I've done this with a PM brush motor, current mode servo amp, and servo controller. The reason for servo was there was a requirement for both position and torque control. This was for testing the integrity of the attachment of video tape leader to the cassette hub on a cassette assembly system.

Works pretty well as long as you don't push the motor too hard--the torque/current relationship will change with motor temperature.

Ned Simmons

Jonathan, Thanks for the reply. That's one of the options we are considering. This is my worry with the method:-

The spec calls for 1.5 N.m with a tolerance of Minus 0, Plus 0.15 N.m. Thats 10% and to ensure we are in spec we will set the torque on the machine to 1.575 and give that a tolerance of Plus / Minus 0.075 N.m. That works out to +/- 4.76%. That would be the absolute spec. Now to make sure we dont run into trouble with the 'quality police', we intend to tighten that further to +/- 3.5%.

Will the pressure controlled pneumatic system be able to provide consistent, repeatable torque within the +/- 3.5% limits, for up to

Thanks Manvinder

Dear Manvinder Bhullar:

Someone suggested a rack and pinion, operated by an air cylinder (which could be pretty sweet for your requirements).

The term "bar" can be pretty loose, sometimes...

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David A. Smith

Hello Minverder.

From another post in this thread I gather a part turn only is needed by the valve, It's therefor probable that you can use direct drive from a ram... cuts out the rack. Position sensing is easy as most rams have magnetic pistons, and can be fitted with a standard position sensing reed switches.

If you use a low friction ram ( PTFE seals I think ) and a precision regulator for the pressure control I would expect to meet your specification, however being cautious I would add a spring loaded plunger with position sensors to the end of the piston rod to verify the load applied. ( or maybe just use these signals for PLC input and use the PLC to control a standard ram without regulated pressure).

If you go for regulated pressure method it is probable your ram will need to be " run in " for a while as it's output may drift as the seals settle in. unless you use a second hand one :-) ) .

-- Jonathan

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Dear Jonathan Barnes:

Only if the angle of rotation is close to 90° (and absolutely less than

David A. Smith

Valve actuators are available with some reasonably sophisticated controls, see:

Mark.

Well I did say " probable" , as I was assuming that he is working on a ball or butterfly type valve, both of which use 90 degree opening.

If he wants 180 degrees rotary actuators ranging from 90 to 360 degrees are readily available, but might not give a consistent enough torque...

-- Jonathan

Barnes's theorem; for every foolproof device there is a fool greater than the proof.

Hi All,

My thanks to all of you who took the time to advise and guide us regarding the above matter. The team here appreciates everyone's input to our problem.

We have decided that we will try to use a dc motor with current limit control to control the torque for a start. My own research has led me to believe this is the most viable approach for (see, most of us here except for the mechanical engineer are electronically inclined).

Will try to keep you all updaed on the progress.

Later.

Manvinder