CA rules on Propane bottle without the new I/O port :-)

Might be true in California, might be true where you live, but it isn't the law across the entire USA. OPDs are a gas association *recommendation*. Some states have codified that recommendation into law, some haven't.

Gary

Here is a list of which States enforce the OPD guidelines and which one they enforce if any. NFPA 58 is a set of guidelines that some States enforce as law and others ignore completely (Washington for example). The NPGA doesn't make law they make rules that put money in their members pockets.

Cheers,

Kelley

My "hack" is to get the large tank filled and then transfer the lpg to smaller older lpg tanks. I am sure it is against the law to do this IF you transport the tanks. But don't think the feds can make it illegal without involking interstate transportation ( which includes transporting on any roads that received federal funds ).

Dan

I can't get the old small tanks filled in Kitsap county. I suspect you have a long term relationship with whoever fills your tanks. Don't post who it is as it is against a federal law.

Dan

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Imagine a _world_ where Nature's lights are obscured by man's. There would be nowhere to go. Or wait a while. Then you won't have to imagine.

Murdered any Bosnian Muslims lately?

Gunner

"No man shall be debarred the use of arms. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They ought to be designated as laws not preventative but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree." - Thomas Jefferson

Huh? Say what?

You are a weird one, I'm glad they keep you in a safe place, far away from civilized society. Abrasha

You are Dutch, correct? Use the search terms Dutch+bosnian muslims+massacre.

Must make you feel really proud.

Gunner

No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil? Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. - L. Neil Smith

What's your point?

Huh? What are you blabbering about?

Abrasha

Boyz, Boyz, Boyz, play nice please Gerry :-)} London, Canada

Chuckle..I am playing nice. Ive only taken the gloves off just a smidge..ever see what Ive done to Leslie the Loonie? I take great care in going easy on the artsy type as they tend to cry easily.

Gunner

No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil? Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. - L. Neil Smith

Will a 5-gal BBQ tank with the OPD valve deliver liquid while inverted?

If the feds wanted to make it illegal (it isn't illegal at the federal level) they'd simply need to show that either the tank or the gas traveled in interstate commerce at least once since their manufacture, or show that using a non-OPD tank has a commercial effect on commerce across a state line (for example, by lessening the sales of OPD tanks, even by one tank). That's how much they've distorted the meaning of the interstate commerce clause.

But fortunately it is *not* against federal law. Anyone telling you that is misinformed or lying. The OPD requirement is merely a gas association (NPGA) *recommendation*. Some states have adopted the NPGA recommendations as law, others haven't. Washington state is one of the ones which hasn't.

Gary

iirc, no. there is a float that shuts the valve. try google to find more info. --Loren

Well, that sucks.

If the bottle is full, would the float tend to point to the bottom of the bottle when inverted, ie. upward? Gerry :-)} London, Canada

this url gives the basic info/pics:

bottom of page, note the arm/float. if the tank is on one side, the "full" level would be sensed (i think). if the pin stops liquid in this position is the question.

so what if you put it on its "other" side? does that float swivel so that it still "raises" to the "full" position? dunno. someone here was going to/did test for these conditions. cannot remember any results. this was a couple of years ago.

as i said, this has been widely discussed, the info is out there, you just need to dig. go to the 2nd url and modify the search as you please. was it Wayne C. or Ed H. that was going to test? i disremember. --Loren

ps. after typing this, i seem to remember it _does_ give liquid in some position and the poster claimed to have filled 14oz cyls with an OPD tank. now you've got me going back over old posts.... christ...

Uh? Shouldn't the float act to OPEN the valve when the tank is inverted?????? jk

My thought in less words. Gerry :-)} London, Canada