chasing the hydrogen?

Oct 13, 2007 6 Replies

A long time ago when I was a teenager first starting work in Seattle's shipyards, an old machinist who rode Harleys told me that whenever he got a part chromed he put it in his oven for some period of time to keep it from getting brittle. I figure maybe he was talking about hydrogen embrittlement, which could indeed happen in the acid chroming bath.



I figure heating the metal would expand the lattice, allowing the (tiny) hydrogen atoms to migrate. Presumably at least half of the ones right near the edge would migrate right out of the part, and the remainder would diffuse throughout the part, lowering the risk of a crack starting.



Is this what actually happens? If I soak some parts in salt/vinegar (a real good way to remove rust from small parts) but am worried about H embrittlement, can I bake the parts at say 350F for a couple of hours and solve the problem?



Grant Erwin


Grant,

In the salt/vinegar solution, there probably isn't enough hydrogen ions to embrittle your parts. The embitterment effect gets worse the harder the part is on the Rockwell scale. In the A/C finishing business, we had to bake some of the exotics used in high stress applications for 23 hours @ 375 degrees to relieve embitterment, record the bake cycle and attach it to the certs.

Ed Angell

Sorry about the spelling of embrittlement, I'll get my eyes checked Monday!

Ed Angell

Hydrogen embrittlement is usually only a problem with high strength steels. If you are concerned, baking them will solve the problem. It is not so much that the metal expands as it is that the hydrogen has higher average velocities when heated and therefore difuses faster.

Dan

Is this what happened to my caliper spring that I tried to de-rust in salt & vinegar? Gerry :-)} London, Canada

According to Gerald Miller :

Nope! Electrolytic corrosion. Multiple metals in contact with each other and with the electrolyte (the salt and vinegar). One metal has naturally a higher voltage in that solution than another, so current keeps flowing from one to the other, and the one (the spring in this case) is eaten away.

If you had separated the spring from the rest, and put it in a different insulated container, it would probably have survived -- though the baking to remove hydrogen would have been a good idea, as the hydrogen would have made the spring more likely to fail in service.

Sorry, DoN.

Thanks DoN. Fortunately I had a spare. Gerry :-)} London, Canada

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