I have looked at several small gas engines over the years without understanding
one basic thing: how does the governor work? I see a lever on a shaft, and
on one end of the shaft is typically some kind of spring which applies tension
which can be modified to change the set point of the governor. The other end of
the lever is usually connected to the throttle.
Clearly what's going on is happening inside the engine itself. Can anyone
explain what happens there? FYI the current beastie under consideration is
an old Kohler 16 hp one-cylinder 4-stroke enginer.
Grant
This may have a classic flyball governor, often mounted on the
camshaft. At the speeds these engines run, the weights don't
need to be very big at all. So, you have a balanced pair of
weights on a linkage between two collars on the camshaft. One
collar is fixed, the other can slide axially on the shaft as the
weights move in and out. There might be a hole in the center of
the camshaft that allows a rod to be pushed out by a spring.
There are a number of different arrangements of bringing the
linear movement of the collar out of the engine. Some have a
little shifter fork arrangement, some bring it right out the
center of the camshaft, etc. This could be builton the
crankshaft as well, but must engines I've seen with mechanical
governors hat them on the cam, as it is higher, thereby closer
to the carb.
Smaller engines usually have pneumatic governors that work based
on air pressure from the flywheel-blower.
Jon
Go to the Kohler engines web site, find the "contact us" link and send
them email with the model / serial number info from the engine and ask
about owners and service manuals. I did that a few months back for the
10 HP Kohler in my old Deere mower and the next morning had an email
from them with links to the full PDF owners and service manuals to
download as well as links to the parts site and a note to watch out for
part number that may have been superseded more than once... and this is
a 32 year old engine (still runs great).
In an aside, I have seen many publications that credit James Watt for
inventing the flyball governer. But I have seen good, reputable
publications that claim the flyball governer goes back further, and
was first used to regulate gates for water wheels. What Watt
apparently did was adapt it to steam engine. And then, of course,
someone later adapted it to internal combustion engines.
Grant,
Like other posters said, it it is typically a centrifugal with weights
or (the only ones I have ever seen) driven by airflow around the engine.
From your description, you might have the former type.
Please note that caution is required when repairing governors. If you
get it wrong, the engine can run out of control and turn into a small
bomb. So far, the best I have been able to figure out is to not bend
any of the springs. If there is a secret to it, it is lost on me. Note
that I have never actually replaced governor parts; so far, I have found
them in good condition, and merely in my way when rebuilding carburetors.
Hopefully someone can enlighten us both on ways to sneak up on it safely.
Bill
A few years back my wife and I visited the Kohler factory in
Wisconsin. The factory tour does not include the area in which the
engines are made but it was super interesting anyway. To see how
bathtubs are cast, toilets moulded and sinks decorated is completly
fascinating.
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If you are anywhere near Sheybogan WI take th etime to do the factory
tour. Reservations are required so plan ahead.
Errol Groff
Do they still sweep-mold plaster molds to slipcast the fixtures? That's the
old method, and I've been awed by those sweep-mold craftsmen. It really
takes a perfect touch.
--
Ed Huntress
Most of those shapes in toilets and sinks *look* like they're fully compound
in three dimensions, but they're not: they're two-dimensional curves swept
through the third dimension, like the shapes on some plywood boats. It's
sort of 2-1/2 D. They can be swept with two-dimensional templates, usually
guided by a line or a stop that produces the third dimension. If that stop
is not a straight line or a circular arc, the result looks like it's
3D-compound.
It requires a lot of practice and finesse to get smooth shapes with that
process. We had some of those people here years ago (they were Italians and
Hungarians) who worked in the bathroom-fixture manufacturing business in
Perth Amboy, NJ. My uncle hired some of them to make sweep molds for
industrial insulation covers. It was fun to watch them work.
--
Ed Huntress
Think of governors as servo loops. In the fly ball type, the moveable member
consists of balls
raised against the force of gravity. Centrifugal force moves the balls. In the
air pressure type,
the moveable member is an air vane operated against the force of a spring. Air
pressure is usu.
created by a fan consisting of fins on the flywheel. In both types the moveable
members are linked
to the throttle of the engine. As engine speed increases or decreases the
moveable elements act to
vary the throttle position accordingly.
In other types, a weight attached to the side of the flywheel is moved against
the force of a spring
to vary throttle position. In some types, the weight's position, or the balls
position, effects the
latching - unlatching of some engine component such as the exhaust valve.
In each type the throttle is connected to the moveable element by appropriate
linkage.
Bob Swinney
I have looked at several small gas engines over the years without understanding
one basic thing: how does the governor work? I see a lever on a shaft, and
on one end of the shaft is typically some kind of spring which applies tension
which can be modified to change the set point of the governor. The other end of
the lever is usually connected to the throttle.
Clearly what's going on is happening inside the engine itself. Can anyone
explain what happens there? FYI the current beastie under consideration is
an old Kohler 16 hp one-cylinder 4-stroke enginer.
Grant
In our state the governor would first pick a fight with the legislature to
prove it was their fault. The argument would go on so long that it never
would get fixed.
Karl
If you are talking about a small air cooled engine (think lawn mower)
the governor is probably just a small sheet metal vane pivoted in the
airstream from the flywheel fan. A short arm is connects the vane to
the carburetor linkage. The faster the engine runs the more air is
blown and the more force is applied to the vane. The movement of the
vane is opposed by a spring. The spring tends to open the throttle
while the vane tends to close it. Depending on the relative force of
the spring and the vane the engine will be governed to some specific R
PM. Note: These are very rough and ready governors and are not highly
accurate.
Higher end engines use some form of fly weight governor, usually in
side the crank case which is much superior to the vane type.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)
consists of balls
the air pressure type,
pressure is usu.
moveable members are linked
moveable elements act to
the force of a spring
position, effects the
If you are talking about anything bigger than a one-lung motor with
an "internal" governor hidden in the crankcase, the external flyweight
governor is probably driven by a fan belt - and belts can break. And
most prime mover engines can accelerate to destruction when the
governor fails and the throttle control slams to Full Open.
Any engine running unattended should always have some sort of a
secondary rev limiter on it, and even an attended one if it can spin
up and grenade faster than you can run there and slap the STOP switch.
Either a "velocity governor" between the carburetor and manifold on a
spark-ignition motor that cuts the airflow, a rough flyweight system
inside a diesel injection pump that cuts the fuel, or a tachometer
sensing system that cuts the ignition/fuel/air.
The secondary system doesn't need to be balanced or accurate, since
the primary flyweight governor is supposed to do all the precise work.
The secondary governor just has to kick in at or near the redline of
the engine or the driven equipment (whichever is lower) and avoid a
catastrophic failure - hunting and surging while running on the
secondary governor will provide an alarm function of sorts.
Had to replace both governors on my PE-95G. The primary was worn
out and sloppy enough to not hold a solid 1800 RPM - instead of a
clean sealed oil supply, some brilliant person ran the Purolator
Junior crankcase oil filter return line through it via the top 'Fill'
hole, and rigged an overflow drain from the side 'oil level' plug to
the timing cover that more likely kept it overfilled...
And the velocity governor was missing - removed by someone who
didn't understand why it was there, ergo it was excess baggage.
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I think that you are letting nomenclature get in the way. A diesel
engine has a governor that controls the engine RP
M. Full stop!
However, many commercial engines that may, or may not, run
unaccompanied have a "shut down system" that senses various abnormal
conditions such as low oil pressure, high water temperature or
overspeed and shuts the engine down if one of the settings is
exceeded. The old 71 series Detroit diesels had one of the best
systems with sensors all over the engine connected to a butterfly in
the intake. If any sensor was actuated it triggered a solenoid that
shut off the air supply to the engine.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(Note:remove underscores
from address for reply)
Lots of ways to do engine control, some a lot simpler than others.
Basic Briggs governor is a fan on the flywheel blowing on a vane.
Other end of the vane is hooked to the carb butterfly with a wire
linkage and a spring. Engine shroud covers all but the outer end of
the vane with the spring on it. Cheap, simple and it works for
lawnmowers. For tighter speed regulation you start getting into
centrifugal weights and linkages. Thousands of designs for that. Get
the tech manual for the engine and see what you've got.
Stan
Some newer engines, e.g. B&S industrial in that power range, are going
to electronic speed control: sense speed from magneto,
solenoid-controlled throttle.
They'll get it right eventually.
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