In-house visit by a "Rainbow vacuum" salesperson

People had pressured us to buy one for years. However, when we built a new house, we were able to install a central vac for a little more than half the price of a rainbow. The central vac has a huge primary filter (cyclone separator) and exhausts the rest outside. No contest in my mind.

Here's how they come up with the high horsepower numbers: You are, of course, correct in saying that if the thing really developed all that power it would blow the breaker. Anyway here goes: You know that one horsepower equals 746 watts. Okay. So, they connect huge wires directly to the motor, let's say #1 or #2 gage. They put in HUGE breakers for the test, let's say 100 or 200 amps. Now, these motors are usually series wound motors with brushes, right? Okay. So they connect the motor to a braking system and they connect a volt meter (probably a data acquisition unit these days) across the incoming line. They connect an ammeter in series with the whole thing. Now comes the fun part: They start up the motor and read the meters. Now, they slow down the series wound motor and, as they do, the reverse emf goes down, so the circuit current goes up because the net resistance to current flow is reduced by the lowering of the reverse emf. Still with me? Okay, now they continue to slow the motor down while taking readings. Remember that they are feeding this motor with HUGE wires, so the voltmeter across the motor leads is reading FULL line voltage all the time. They keep slowing the motor down with the braking system until the motor just stalls. Just as it comes to a stall, there is NO reverse emf generated and the total resistance of the motor is equal to its at-rest DC resistance. So the current goes sky-high! This, of course, blows out the whole motor, but, at this moment of this super high current, just before the motor creates fireworks, they read that current and, of course, the incoming voltage, which is still a full line value. Amps times volts equals watts. They could be seeing 30 or

40 amps or more for a few milliseconds. Depending on how much horsepower marketing wants to sell, they could come up with 10 hp or so if they can get 70 amps out of the system as it self destructs! Of course, this had absolutely NOTHING to do with vacuuming your rug, but that's how the game can be played without anyone actually having to go to jail.

Ain't the capitalist system great?

Pete Stanaitis

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spaco
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I always look for the "As seen on TV" label. It has to be good then, right?

Reply to
Stupendous Man

Wait, you mean the amount of power the motor draws doesn't directly correlate with suction? Who woulda thunk that?

Reminds me back when "transistor" radios competed by counting transistors.

Reply to
SMS

And if you are a little (maybe a lot) older the radios, especially by "Midwest" (as I remember the name), were competing by the number of tubes. In some cases I think only with the heaters connected. :-) ...lew...

Reply to
Lew Hartswick

My next-door neighbors have had one for about 30 years I guess. Had to replace the switch but it still works and they still use it.

Reply to
John Doe

A friend, who was taking a watchmaking class, once showed me a "23 jewel" watch. It was a typical 17 jewel swiss movement (worht about $10, at the time) with 6 garbage jewels taped to the rear case.

Weren't they all "five tube wonders"? Dangerous things! 50% chance of the metal chasis being live. The only thing between the operator and 120V was the plastic knob.

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krw

Most of them were 5 tubes but the Midwest ones advertized 8 and 10 tubes with dummies. And yes the chassis were at one side of the line so if pluged in the wrong way could be HOT. ...lew...

Reply to
Lew Hartswick

Actually, I recall that the traditional term was "All-American Five". A decent circuit, although the simple power supply could be hum-prone.

BTW, I've had a Rainbow since 1978. It doesn't quite have the airflow of some brands, but is a quality product that does a fine job if one can tolerate the nuisance value of emptying the water tank each time the machine is used. Otherwise, evaporative corrosion will eventually eat away the motor guts. Obviously one should never buy it from the big-bucks door-to-door salesman, but with a little bit of luck it can be found at a non-jawdropping price. Last year I shipped mine half way across the country to have it rebuilt, not trusting my local shops to do a good job.

Art

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Arthur Shapiro

I used to rebuild the motors for those Rex-Aire built vacuums. A neighbor was in the used vacuum cleaner business, and always needed motors. After a while I could tear them down and replace the bearings and brushes in 10 to 15 minutes, depending on what type of motor that brand used. He would give me a truckload of old motors at a time. :(

BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled after a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack strips.

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Michael A. Terrell

That sounds like just what is needed to suck the oily chips out of the T slots of a mill. :-) ...lew...

Reply to
Lew Hartswick

As long as they are smaller than a bowling ball. They could pick up a bowling ball, but it wouldn't go down the hose. Put a few drops of detergent in the water, and it will trap oily dust. A place was using one to clean up drops of mercury where they made thermometers fro several years. When the EPA found out they had to spend $30,000 on a replacement system hat didn't work as well.

Reply to
Michael A. Terrell

bet someone at the epa got a bribe for that.

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AllEmailDeletedImmediately

Hehe... my ex used a Rainbow in an attempt to clean out the fireplace... once!

Reply to
Shanghai McCoy

what a mess!!!

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AllEmailDeletedImmediately

Not if you use enough detegent in the water. I've seen it done. It works with plaster & drywall dust, as well.

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Michael A. Terrell

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