Almost anytime I see a post from the handful of people on here from
eastern ontario I always turn green with envy at the amount of machine
tools that are down in your area
Ottawa feels liek the Sahara when it comes to looking for used tools.
Gerald Miller wrote:
Lee Valley tools sells new record vises for that much. (In store only
but if your in canada it might be worth investigating)
I forget now if they are mechanics or machinists vises but the two are
quite close in function
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 08:07:15 -0000, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Andrew Mawson" quickly quoth:
I spent $23 for a HF 5" vise in the early 70s and it's still my main
vise, a heavy swiveling suckah.
Chaos, panic, and disorder--my work here is done.
I spent close to that for a new one when Eagle Hardware got bought by
Lowes and was closing out. Record may currently exist as a brand name
but the original company went out of business a few years back, I got a
bunch of wood chisels and such at blow-out prices from local outfits.
Used to be a really good make, made in England.
If it's used and not N.I.B., look carefully for cracks, beat-up jaws,
abused screws and the like. Hard to say what it's worth without seeing
it in person. If it's in very good condition, it's probably worth the
price. Replacement parts are probably nonexistant these days.
AFAIK Record is no more. They shut down as they were losing money.
$75 for a 5" bench vise seems a bit dear to me. Near retail. Or over.
Good deal if you were getting a Wilton (though it looks as they have
gone offshore, too) or such, but Record vices never seemed to me to be
higher quality than the chinese stuff.
My advise would be to have a look at the ones at the tool stores, then
look at the Record. If it seems better to you, buy it, if not, walk
away. $40-$50 CDN seens about the retail price range for similar size
and quality (part of why they are no longer in business).
If it's a No 24 Record, then list price is about £350 or $650.
You can buy them for half that if you go to a good supplier or a bit less if
you have good discounts from a good supplier.
If it _is_ the No 24 then buy it, you won't be disappointed. It's a medium
weight (80lb) fitters vice that's bloody good. It'll hold large parts, the
jaws are easily replaceable, the action is smooth and slop free and the quick
release is handy. the only one that's much better is the 6" No 25
If it's another model number then only buy it if you like it after looking at
it, they do a number of cheaper/nastier ones as well.
I just took a couple of snapshots to show the one I'm talking about:-
New in the UK they are the equivalent of USD240.
A 4 1/2 inch engineers vice (with quick release jaws and anvil) is the
equivalent of USD625
Record vices have always been expensive but the prices now seem much
higher than I remembered some 15 years ago which was the last time I
had to buy some.
That one looks a lot more solid than the ones I have seen in general
I really have to swing by the local bike shop and see if I can talk
them out of the little Wilton that they use as a doorstop.
I used to love shopping at Pascal when I worked there in '76-'78 and
for a while after, whenever I got up that way. I was sorry to see the
Toronto branch close, are they still around?
I was in Montreal for 6 months back in 1980 and Pascals was just down
the block on St Catherines. I bought a couple of nice little Starrett
rules and tools there. There is also a little tool shop on W. Wueen
street in Toronto I used to go to when I got there in the 80's.
I picked up a Record vise from Lee Valley a couple of years ago for
about $50, I think it was a 5" with the quick release. Nice vise. I
think they were made in the USA and production had stopped, and Lee
Valley picked them up from clearance.
[ ... ]
A nice looking vice/vise. Two unrelated questions:
1) What is the blue box on the floor partially obscured by the
handle to the vice?
2) That tray of parts to the left of it -- is that a dual-system
(metric/imperial) dial mechanism from a Hardinge?
1) The Blue box is a box containing a new (only had it for 18 months),
not-yet-fitted-to-the-backplate TOS 5" three jaw chuck. It's on the to do list
to make a 'Griptru' type mounting for it.
2) Well spotted! That's the parts out of the topslide on the HLV. They're
cleaned and back together now, but will be taken apart again when I get the
replacement bearings. I'm on to the apron now and that's got all of the
problems that come with using swarf as a lubricant.