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Retaining Compounds - part 2

I got the Permatex version of Loctite 660 yesterday (Permatex 20297). Before I used it in anger I thought I would run a trial.

First of all I opened the 6 ml tube and found it empty! There was about 0.25 ml of the compound in it, enough to use it in the trial - just.

I drilled and reamed three identical blind holes in scrap mild steel: 0.25" diameter, 0.382" deep. The ideal surface area of contact is 0.35 in2. I cut three identical pieces of 0.25" uncoated mild steel rod (the actual diameter 0.247"). I bent them at right angles at the same spot to give me "twisting handles" for later. I cleaned the rods and the holes with acetone. I applied the 20297 generously to one of the rods and to the walls of the hole as far as possible and inserted the rod fully. I did the same with the second rod using Loctite 262 threadlocker and JB Weld in the third hole.

After 22 hours, these were the results:

1) The 20297 could be easily popped and twisted by hand. 2) Neither of the remaining rods could be twisted by hand. 3) Using a 26" iron pipe with a 0.25" opening in one end as a lever I was able to move both remaining rods. 4) The JB Weld popped suddenly. After this pop the rod could be moved by hand. 5) The 262 rod could be moved with some effort. However, there was no "popping" (catastrophic failure) and even after the rod was rotated for some distance using the pipe it still could not be moved by hand.

Comments:

1) I do not know what conclusions can be reached from this test about the 20297. Who knows what was in that tube and how it deteriorated over time. 2) In some applications the mode of failure of the 262 may actually be preferable to the JB Weld which is commonly used in the automotive community as a retaining compound. 3) Given the small area of contact the strength of the 262 seems quite good. My totally unscientific impression is that it required somewhat more strength to rotate the rod held by it than to cause the failure of the JB Weld. This is consistent with the figures each company publishes for their respective products.

Conclusion:

There is no desperate hurry to replace the 262 in my applications for the time being.

Reply to
Michael Koblic
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Did you give the acetone time to completely evaporate? It may have had some effect on the material you were using.

Paul

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co_farmer
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It evaporates in seconds especially this small quantity. However, I routinely wipe dry anyway as acetone sometimes leaves a residue. Anyway, all three sites were treated exactly the same way.

Reply to
Michael Koblic

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F. George McDuffee

This is for screws only or did I misunderstand?

Reply to
Michael Koblic

If you are making the threaded holes, you can use their taps to use this method:

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They also have coil inserts:
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system works pretty well, but you still have to make sure to torque the screw correctly for it to work.

For removeable threadlocking, I like Vibra-Tite Original:

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anorton

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Lewis Hartswick

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anorton

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DoN. Nichols

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Larry Jaques

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