I've an old Ideal Arc TIG welder. The water pump for the torch gave up the
ghost. I can see the one on there was something the guy before me just had
around.
What kind of cooling water pump should a TIG torch have? Looks like very low
flow, and not a lot of water pressure either.
Karl
"Karl Townsend" wrote in
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Its a carbonator pump. You can find new ones at Grainger and sometimes on
ebay. Small brass gear pumps work too. You need about 60psi.
I'm sure Ernie will chime in....
Marty
You need 50 psi water pressure to get the water through the head.
You can buy just the pump and build your own water cooler with a 5
gallon water bucket.
Fancy Radiators and fans are not necessary unless you are doing welding
in the 400 amp range.
These guys sell the pumps direct
Depco Pump Company
2145 Calumet St
Clearwater FL 33765
Phone: 727.446.1656
800.446.1656
Fax: 727.446.7867
Business Hours: -Monday thru Friday 7:30 AM to 5:30 PM ---Eastern Time
Tell them you are interested in the constant pressure gear pumps used
for welding water coolers.
They have an Italian brand that works very well called Fluido-tec.
Procon replacement
Fluido-tec PA301X-100PSI $86.36
Oberdorfer
1000R-39 $139
These pumps require a 1/3 HP 1750 RPM motor
Anotyher source is Grainger
Product Category: Pumps & Plumbing > Pumps > Gear Pumps
Description: Bronze Carbonator-Mount Rotary Gear Pump Head without
Adjustable
Relief Valve, 1/4 inch connectors
Your Price: $108.25
Grainger Item#: 2P381
Manufacturer: TEEL
Mfg. Model#: CBN2
Catalog Page: 3270
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The pump model used by Tweco is:
Procon #101C100F11B060
100 Gal per Hour @ 60 PSI
You need 50 psi water pressure to get the water through the head.
You can buy just the pump and build your own water cooler with a 5
gallon water bucket.
A fancy radiator and fan is not needed unless you are welding in the
400 amp range.
These guys sell the pumps direct
Depco Pump Company
2145 Calumet St
Clearwater FL 33765
Phone: 727.446.1656
800.446.1656
Fax: 727.446.7867
Business Hours: -Monday thru Friday 7:30 AM to 5:30 PM ---Eastern Time
Tell them you are interested in the constant pressure gear pumps used
for welding water coolers.
They have an Italian brand that works very well called Fluido-tec.
Procon replacement
Fluido-tec PA301X-100PSI $86.36
Oberdorfer
1000R-39 $139
These pumps require a 1/3 HP 1750 RPM motor
Anotyher source is Grainger
Product Category: Pumps & Plumbing > Pumps > Gear Pumps
Description: Bronze Carbonator-Mount Rotary Gear Pump Head without
Adjustable
Relief Valve, 1/4 inch connectors
Your Price: $108.25
Grainger Item#: 2P381
Manufacturer: TEEL
Mfg. Model#: CBN2
Catalog Page: 3270
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The pump model used by Tweco is:
Procon #101C100F11B060
100 Gal per Hour @ 60 PSI
According to various posts, mostly, Ernie L., the pump should be able
to put out about 50psi to ensure that water gets through the lines. Flow
is about the same as about a 1/8 solid stream from the tap. How's that
for precise?
He posted a supplier here last week or so, with c----------------------------------------------------------------
You need 50 psi water pressure to get the water through the head.
You can buy just the pump and build your own water cooler with a 5
gallon water bucket.
These guys sell the pumps direct
Depco Pump Company
2145 Calumet St
Clearwater FL 33765
Phone: 727.446.1656
800.446.1656
Fax: 727.446.7867
Business Hours: -Monday thru Friday 7:30 AM to 5:30 PM ---Eastern Time
Tell them you are interested in the constant pressure gear pumps used
for welding water coolers.
I understand they have an Italian brand that works very well called
Fluido-tec.
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Above was cut and pasted from Ernie's post.
Cheers
Trevor Jones
I just checked the literature on my Weldcraft water cooled torch and it
suggests that if city water is used, that it should be pressure reduced to
50 PSI maximum. I've always used tap water and run it to waste. As
little as they use, it's a cheap way to deal with cooling. You might give
that a thought. When I built my new shop, I even included a special 1"
drain pipe at the welder to discharge the water, which ends up in our roof
drain system, then to a catch basin. No mess, and completely out of sight.
I use a tiny Watts pressure reducer to prevent over pressure.
Harold
I own enough equipment so that I can allways have something broken I
tell people farming would only be a part time job if it weren't for
breakdowns.
Now, if you REALLY want to increase repair work, get a 20 year old to use
all your stuff hard. I didn't mind when the TIG broke but he got a lecture
before using my 10EE all day Saturday.
Thanks, Ernie L and others for the tip. I'll order one tommorrow.
Karl
I hope you explained in graphic detail what
would happen if he were to run the carriage
into the chuck.
The only farmer I got to know seemed to have
a buzzbox stinger grafted to his right hand.
Mine is also plumbed into ciy water .I have a 1/4 plastic hose to drain it
outside .I never hooked up a pressure regulator to it I this is the first time
I herd of doing that .My warer pressure is 70lb.The water only runs while your
welding and a few seconds after you stop ,same as the gas. City water $1.08 per
1000 gallons.
In my case I knew I'd have to use a regulator. Our water pressure was
rocking off 150 lbs when I installed the machine. I finally had to
regulate not only the welder, but the entire house. The pressure was so
close to tripping the pressure relief valve on the water heater that it
occasionally would leak.
If you're not having any problems with your setup, it's likely fine. I
think by reducing the pressure you might use slightly less water, but
considering the amount it takes, and the infrequency that we use our
machines on a hobby basis, it could take the rest of your life to pay for
the pressure reducer. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
Harold
I tried a few different pumps on mine before I found something that worked
and was cheap.
I'm now using a peristaltic pump that does the needed quart per minute
and can deliver the pressure. I picked it up for $3 at a scrap sale.
I've also had good luck with a nutating pump before the seal failed on
it. I was running a carbonator pump but it was putting out too much
pressure and when the vibration from it blew out the regulator I was using
I gave up on it.
The magic numbers seem to be 1 quart per minute of flow at 50ish PSI.
I imagine one of the belows type or piston pumps would do it too.
The carbonator pumps used on the Bernard coolers have a
built in relief valve.
Grainger used to sell an small inexpensive (~$50) carpet
cleaner pump that worked well in one cooler I built. I only
see larger more expensive units in the current catalog.
I also used a diaphragm pump removed from the fresh water
system of a large sailboat in a cooler. The 12V motor was
replaced with a small gearmotor. That one ran for years
with no trouble.
Ned Simmons
I've got no idea what works in practice, maybe there is no problem.
As far as theory is concerned, you really ought to install a sediment filter
when running the TIG off any municipal water.
Bob
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