Have you heard of incidents where cops discharge huge numbers of rounds with only a small percentage of hits? It happens all the time! I'm in the process of getting certified to teach police and military. I have cop friend that will sponsor me and have trained with him and others in his department for over a year. Lots of cops don't care much about shooting other than to pass their quals. The NRA has great programs for them.
More like the Javelin catcher!
I've heard both "clip" and "mag" from experienced users. It's easier to pick up a habit than to drop it, and beginners copy what they first heard. In the military they may call all ground transportation "vehicle" and anything that flies an "aircraft", including helicopters. We discussed that a few years ago in rec.aviation.military.
How careful are we to distinguish between motors and engines? There IS a difference.
jsw
"Suppressive Fire".
This shows the caualty rate per whole day when lines of standing soldiers blasted away at each other at close range:
"Michael A. Terrell" on Mon, 30 Jul 2012
06:38:37 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:I'll give it a shot.
"Jim Wilkins" on Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:20:57
-0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
What I want is the over head shot. Even if I am "flying" down to the limits of resolution - or even past it (when things get completely pixilated)! - that is what I want. The overhead shot. Not the view from the "nearest" road - which may be blocks or miles away - but right "here". What is "silly" (when it is not infuriating), is the attempts to give me a "street level view" where there is no such view available. In other words, now I'm standing on an aerial photograph.
The Snohomish (WA!) county assessor does it "right":
Nope. Because those tin-foil hats are part of the plot to gain control over foolish people.
tschus pyotr
They want you to call it a weapon, because that's its job in the military. It isn't for collecting, or sport shooting. It's part of the conditioning required to prepare you for battle, and they are trying to break the link between military & civilian firearms.
He liked that position. He caught the shot puts with his thick skul.
It's commonly called a "clip" because it "clips" into place...
The term "magazine" in and of itself does not necessarily imply = something that can be quickly separated from the rifle for = reloading...for instance, instead of having a clip; pump shotguns, lever = action and most bolt action-type rifles generally will have a tubular = type magazine which, for all practical purposes; is permanently = attached..
And FWIW, when *I* was in the military, range officers used the term = "clip" almost exclusively.
almost exclusively.
Many shooters still do. From Wikipedia: "Due to popular usage of the term clip interchangeably with magazine it now has the same meaning and is defined as such" It's hilariously stupid of Gardner to think that using the term is some great tell. Especially considering that he listened to Bush say nookewler for years and it didn't bother him. Hell I bet he says it that way as well. The guy writes like an 10 year old but he's convinced he has this one great pearl of wisdom to offer.
almost exclusively.
Prove it, blow-hard, know-nothing liar. You were NEVER in THIS country's military and you know nothing about firearms.
Yup...
The other thing is, my time is too valuable to waste by responding to mindless trolls and providing them with a detailed explanation about the implications of letting the barrel get too warm...
almost exclusively.
Oh LOOKIE...libtard cheese-check boy sticks up for his lover, how cute! Is that the best insult you can feebly cast? You should have smoked less drugs in grade school before you were expelled and TRIED to be a productive member of society but sadly, you became a leach on that same society. Get somebody to help you compose a grown-up insult.
It IS a tell! You and your lover pretend to know things to impress people. I especially like:
Makes me want to run right out and get me an "assult" rifle" so I can be cool like you and your buddy! I sure would LOVE to take that challenge but I'm a pacifist, unlike you and your ilk.
You and your lover NEVER post anything on-topic that isn't complete bullshit. Why do you post here? Nobody believes your spew nor does anybody respect a single thing you write.
OBTW you are both now in the bozo-bin so don't bother to respond. Besides, your mommy shouldn't let you use her computer anyway. Go back on the porch, puppy.
Thanks, very interesting. It seems that as time went by and firearms improved as well as the quantity of ammunition available, the "spray-n-pray" method became more prevalent.
"fixed wing" vs "rotary wing" aircraft....
They bounced off and made a hollow ringing sound.
That's because the outer layer is silly putty.
I used "Don't call me Sergeant, my parents were married!"
technomaNge
The sergeant was telling me not to put the box magazine in a .22 at the time that he called it a clip, so, no, it was not a stripper clip. The simple fact is that real experts are often far less pedantic about nomenclature than online wannabees.
That chart doesn't tell you anything about "spray and pray". Imagine Napoleon marching one of his immense tightly packed formations into the field of fire of a couple of miniguns. Spray 10 rounds a second at that kind of target and there's no need for prayr.
The reason the casualty rates started dropping afte the Civil War doesn't have anything to do with "spray and pray". It has to do with a change in tactics, and that change in tactics came about because of a change in technology.
In the Napoleonic wars and the Civil War the primary infantry weapon was a muzzle-loader. The ones in the Civil War were rifled and more accurate than Napoleon's but had the same limitation, which is that one has to stand to load them. If one has convenient cover (a tree to duck behind for example, or a trench with a firing step) then one can load with safety. If one does not have convenient cover then one has to just stand there in the middle of the battlefield presenting a target while one reloads.
After the Civil War muzzle loaders were abandoned in favor of breech loaders, which allow one to load in just about any position, thus allowing soldiers to crouch or lie prone and present a much smaller target. Also doctrine changed due to lessons learned in the Civil War (one of which is that marching big battalions into the field of fire of a prepared position against rifle and artillery fire is suicidal) and in WWI much of the activity was in the slow dance of prepared positions, moving the trenches back and forth, and there were more casualties from the diseases inherent in living in a trench than from enemy action, not because anyone "sprayed and prayed", but because far fewer soldiers presented themselves as easy targets.
After the Civil War the development of mobile radio changed things again, with infantry no longer slugging it out with hand-held weapons but serving a scouting function, and calling in artillery and air assets when contact is made. Infantry tends to keep much wider separation and try to avoid being seen, so again fewer and more difficult targets.
Now you can't even tell who the enemy is until he starts shooting at you.
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