Why hasn't the NRA stepped up and paid the hospital bills of the Colorado shooting victums?

Hardly. It is called a clip because that was a device used to load a rifle up through WW II and out of date terms are frequently used long after they have been replaced by more accurate or descriptive terms.

can be quickly separated from the rifle for reloading...for instance, instead of having a clip; pump shotguns, lever action and most bolt action-type rifles generally will have a tubular type magazine which, for all practical purposes; is permanently attached..

almost exclusively.

So? I was in the Service for a while and heard people using terms that were incorrect - bullet for cartridge, motor for engine, six-by for truck, Tug for tractor (used to tow airplanes), "Leg" or "Straight Leg" for common infantry, and on and on. Hardly proof that any of the terms were correct.

Cheers, John B.

The real goal of armies is to conquer territory. Chasing the enemy away is as effective for that as killing them.

We asked pilots what they called their rides, expecting then to answer "Chopper" or "Helo". There wasn't really a consensus but "aircraft" was common.

jsw

That automatically disqualifies you from the Marine Corps.

And thank God for those bastards of ours!

-- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine

(comparing Paine to the current CONgress )

Maybe. I read it and Clausewitz a long time ago.

almost exclusively.

Why when I was in they referred to it as the "cartridge box".

They weren't suppose to "spray and pray", but "service the target". The theory is that volume of accurately delivered rifle fire is what counts, hence the development of the box magazine and bolt action. The Automatic Self-loading Rifle (M-1 etc) meant that non-rifle men (the majority of soldiers) could provide that "accurately delivered rifle fire" with less need to spend lots of time drilling bolt manipulation into their heads. Full auto - more of the same.

Given the necessary skills, and the time for development to their peak, I could use a 22 short derringer pistol, because I could put both shorts in their eye sockets. Or I could use an M-4 "carbine" and put 3 in the center of mass, and spend my time pitching woo, or some other way of investing my time.

"J. Clarke" on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 03:06:28 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Not to be too pedantic, but the MG did "spray" and pray. as well as the arty.

Both the American Civil War, and the Great War, are examples of technology outstripping the tactical doctrine. What made the American war so bloody was using Napoleonic tactics against the new technology of rifled barrel and Minie ball. Likewise in France, tactics which worked against a rifle armed enemy, did not fare so well against one armed with MG and able to call down accurate rapid firing artillery.

And with the invention of "smokeless" powders, it is even harder to tell where he is.

Kids these days, we should have stuck with rocks!

pyotr

"Jim Wilkins" on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:13:30

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As me Dad would say "It isn't over till some tired private plops down in the middle of the village square, says 'my feet hurt, when do we eat, is there any mail, and where the heck am I?'." I'll take his word for it.

tschus pyotr

Your ability to recall arkane trivia that is unlikely to prove useful = for anything other than demonstrating your ability to recall useless = trivia on usenet is truly amazing.

something that can be quickly separated from the rifle for = reloading...for instance, instead of having a clip; pump shotguns, lever = action and most bolt action-type rifles generally will have a tubular = type magazine which, for all practical purposes; is permanently = attached..

"clip" almost exclusively.=20

Except, I never made any claims about the "techinical correctness" of = the term "clip" either way...

=20

Then you might like this:

jsw

Promptly followed by by a short Sargeant, making some choice comments in crude language?

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As me Dad would say "It isn't over till some tired private plops down in the middle of the village square, says 'my feet hurt, when do we eat, is there any mail, and where the heck am I?'." I'll take his word for it.

tschus pyotr

-- pyotr Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers does it take to change a lightbulb.

"Jim Wilkins" on Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:35:31

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Might as well enjoy life, you're not getting out of it.

McBride was one of those people who recognized that there is no "virtue" in just pussyfooting around, when it comes to war. The whole idea is to kill them and break their stuff. Or break enough of their stuff to make them quit. There's a bunch of them in every war.

tschuspyotr

But their uniforms are too scarey!

As an NRA Certified instructor, we are not allowed to use the wrong terms, it's confusing to our students. The NRA will often have plants in classes to evaluate instructors. In the years that I have been teaching CCW, Basic Pistol, Basic Rifle, Basic Shotgun, In-Home Defense, Out of home Defense, Metallic Cartridge reloading, Shotshell Reloading and Range Officer Certification, I haven't been aware of an NRA plant but I don't take chances with sloppy, incorrect nomenclature. I believe your experience is an aberration, AND you should know better.

Didn't Patton say that the M-1 Garrand was the best battle weapon ever invented...or was it only in the movie?

Believe whatever you want to, it's free country.

That he did.

It was of WW1 that it was said, if Memory serves, that the Germans brought the best target rifle, the Americans the best hunting rifle, but the Brits the best battle rifle.