"dave sanderson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... Evening all, a bit of background, my current measuring tools are: A Dial Gauge, which whilst cheap (draper 0.001") has done the job til now. A very cosseted Moore and Wright 0-1" 0.001" Mike, which was my fathers, A secondhand Mitutoyo 0-1" 0.0001" Mike, which seems to agree with the M&W on the few things Ive checked on (I have no gauge blocks)
I am designing a spindle and ancillaries, and will have to do some pretty close tolerance boring, turning, dovetail aligning, and repositioning of parts, for instance according to the bearing manual the bearing bores/shaft need to be -0 to +0.0003" for the external races, and +0 to -0.0001 for the shaft, and Im pretty sure I wont be able to turn all things in a single setting, so resetting to a tenth or less might be important (impossible?). Apart from the fact Im not sure that Im up to the job the only tool I have that measures tenths is the mitutoyo 0-1" mike. Not the most useful tool for internal bores 30mm in diameter... What measuring tools should I look at getting (not all at once, as the budget is limited, and I understand that you get what you pay for)? I can see a DTI in 0.0001 resolution would be useful for this and other jobs and would be approx £50, so that I can justify, especially given the use my Dial Gauge currently gets. I suspect a bore mike would be needed? these look expensive. Any others? Is there any point in getting a 0.00005" resolution DTI?
Tolerances down to a tenth or two require such careful control of temperature that the only way you're going to achieve them repeatably is in a metrology lab with precision calibrated equipment. A 1" steel shaft will expand by just over a tenth for every 10 degrees C. The heat you generate during machining can alter the size by several times this amount. You need copious coolant and then some settling time before you can even measure things to this degree of accuracy.
One of my regular tasks is polishing new bronze valve guides down to the correct size to fit in the valve guide bore in the cylinder head. New guides come with about 1 thou extra on the diameter to cope with worn bores but most heads don't have worn bores. Stick a guide on the lathe and start polishing it down with 80 grit and it expands with the heat generated at about the same rate as you remove material. You polish away for a bit, measure, get down to about target size, wander away for a smoke and by the time you come back the bloody thing's cooled down and shrunk half a thou and is now too small. So what you actually do is get the first half thou off, let it cool for an hour, measure again, take another gnat's c*ck off and proceed in every decreasing circles until you get close to what you want. Even with hand polishing it's hard to work to a tenth. 3 tenths maybe is not so big a deal.
Same thing happens when honing out cylinder bores. The heat generated expands the block so you think you've hit target size and then next day when you measure again it's still half a thou small. The difference in size between summer and winter, say 25C, equates to over a thou on an 85mm bore in a cast iron block. You can double that for aluminium.
So there's really no point in buying measuring equipment calibrated to finer levels than you can actually work to or that the job needs. I can't believe any shaft/bearing needs making to a tenth or it'll stop working. A mike reading in thous can be interpolated to a couple of tenths by eye and one with a tenth of a thou vernier just ain't going to repeat to that every time anyway. Hold the mike in your hand for too long and it'll expand and read wrong by a tenth. Hold the workpiece for a while and the same thing will happen.
Yes you need a decent bore gauge if you're going to try and makes bores to some reasonable level of accuracy but you aren't going to be able to work to a tenth at the best of times. If you can make anything to three tenths you've done very well.