Re: How Robots Will Steal Your Job

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:30:01 +0000 (UTC), snipped-for-privacy@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C Dalager) wrote or quoted :

It may be done mostly with multiple choice questions on the part of the computer.

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Come on. I corrected that ambiguity. You were TRYING, like a Hollywood lawyer to break a contract, to misinterpret what I was saying.

I find that sort of tactic HIGHLY annoying, trying to tell someone what they MEANT to say, despite their protests.

It is fair game to point out ambiguities, but it is childish to nya nya like that.

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I'd agree with this.

But not with this. It just means that we'll probably need to do a lot of experimentation before we get it right.

We don't really know that :-)

But I'll certainly concede that this _can_ be the case.

Quite possibly not, but I doubt we'll be able to get a cloned brain to exhibit any sort of emotions or thoughts at all until we've been able to make it feel at home. In other words, if we can't get the chemistry simulation roughly right, it may be so severely dysfunctional we won't be able to measure much more than whitenoise on it.

If we're lucky (or not), intelligence is something that will tend to develop on its own once it's got a sufficiently sophisticated neural net to play around in. If so, we may not have to invent it as such but we could certainly have trouble recognizing it.

Cheers Bent D

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:15:49 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote or quoted :

here was a similar piece published in Nature:

The problem was more trivial, but I gather it is a similar way of sifting through and picking the best of an number of possible possibilities.

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Roedy Green wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

But will it run Doom 3 and Half Life 2. That's what I really care about.

Sure. Isn't food one of Maslow's top three?

I think credit should rather be going to the incredible robustness of DNA. Somehow, DNA seems to be very resistant to letting random mutations to its genes cause significant changes in the organism. Given this property, each actual change is incredibly small so even if the change is disadvantageous, chances are the organism will be able to cope. The weighted reproduction rate of the disadvantaged organisms is only slightly worse than that of the advantaged ones and so only in the very long term does the gene pool "improve".

Cheers Bent D

A lot of animals communicate with one another. None of them have come up with a cross-species language (that we know), but then, neither have we.

Your criteria for accepting something not human as being intelligent is that it should be a lot more intelligent than we are to even be considered?

Cheers Bent D

If so, I would find it curious to learn that a dog I spend a longer amount of time with will know what I'm thinking of.

Are dogs more intelligent than humans?

Observer aka DustWolf aka CyberLegend aka Jure Sah

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snipped-for-privacy@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C Dalager) wrote in news:biker2$dct$2 @tyfon.itea.ntnu.no:

I think much credit probably should go to the DNA, but I don't think the question is either/or. The DNA doesn't do it alone.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:36:35 +0200, CyberLegend aka Jure Sah wrote or quoted :

I noticed that my dog Sheldon was more attuned to my emotional states than people were. He had the advantage of being able to smell my fear.

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:14:01 +0100, "Airy R Bean" wrote or quoted :

Don't they have a spotted owl franchise in Oregon?

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On 28 Aug 2003 20:27:40 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@echeque.com (James A. Donald) wrote or quoted :

There is a guy who builds little robots, using biological principles. He discovered they use far less electronics, and when they fail, they fail gracefully, gradually losing capability, rather than coming to a dead stop the way most computer programs do.

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LOL.

Biological systems have relied on bulk data quite a lot. Add 10 MB worth of useless data to a 30 byte program and it will become just as robust as DNA.

Observer aka DustWolf aka CyberLegend aka Jure Sah

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--------------- You're blathering about Mark Tilden, and he has dug himself into a hole at Los Alamos and can't get out. He has been fooling the govt into believing he has been doing groudbreaking work when he is actually revisiting 70 year old patents for pinball machine circuits.

He propagates the myth that little robot toys which have a few simple emergent properties, and which include random RC timing loop circuits, are somehow transcendant of processor technology, and that's been shown to be dead-end crap. I think he is now being investigated by the OMB.

-Steve

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 04:37:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote or quoted :

The guy I am referring to made no such elaborate claims, at least not in the clip I saw of his little beasts. It would have been on some video I got at the library. Sorry I can't be more specific.

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----------- I have all such videos, he's the only one with that side-show.

-Steve

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 05:08:46 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote or quoted :

blather means "loquacious nonsense"

I think my report was accurate, even if you discredit the guy's work. I do run on often, but I think I described that succinctly.

Are you aware of the term "gratuitous insult"?

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