Re: How Robots Will Steal Your Job



Nope. I mean, yes, there are a few core concepts that make up the bulk of modern cryptography (although more than one; elliptic curve cryptography, Feistel systems, and public key systems based on the difficulty of the discrete logarithm problem come to mind). But adding a fillip on top may very well be counterproductive; anything that adds biases to the encryption may screw up the entire system.
There's a reason that cryptographers recommend that amateurs just stick with well-tested algorithms from the literature, without trying to "improve it".
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It's impossible to compare it anyway since we don't really have the first clue what we mean by the term. The only thing we can know for sure about intelligence is that whatever it is, humans have it :-)
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I think this is much too optimistic. Even humans have trouble understanding written human language. There's far too much room for poetic improvisation within in.
I think a process in which you first develop a fledgling AI (which has the necessary complexity to become intelligent, but not a lot of knowledge yet) and then parametrize human knowledge in a strict, formal language has a much greater chance of success. The AI could then learn a lot by assimilating Encyclopζdia Britannica (in the formal language) without having to battle with all the inaccuracies of human language.
Programmers could learn to communicate in this formal language in order to converse with the computer. The start of human-cyborg relations :-)
Of course, this means you'd have to start by getting a bunch of people to translate the most essential human works into the formal language. This is probably less work than what you'd have to do to enable the AI to understand normal human language.
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:30:01 +0000 (UTC), snipped-for-privacy@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C Dalager) wrote or quoted :

It may be done mostly with multiple choice questions on the part of the computer. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
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If we are foresightful enough to ensure that this is a machine-based superior race, chances are they'll let us have the biosphere and go out to explore the universe for their essentials: metals and energy.
They might keep us around for much the same reasons we have museums today, perhaps even seeding us to new biospheres they come across just for the novelty value :-)
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Impossible to tell at this point. Sounds like an interesting experiment, certainly.

Why not?

It might lose out on hormonal effects, which begs the question of how well a human-based neural net would cope without the hardware interrupts it's evolved to interface with.

Presumably it would, but you might have to synthesize hormones and the like in order to make it function properly.

It would be reasonable to assume that a neural net copied from a human would retain basic social behaviour, so yes it probably would. Or at least it might try - difficult to say how the lack of body chemistry would affect one's feelings and emotional life.

We don't know if we do or not. We have little to no idea what we actually mean by the term "intelligent". On the surface of it, it strikes me as little more than a term we've invented in order to make ourselves look more l33t.
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I'd agree with this.

But not with this. It just means that we'll probably need to do a lot of experimentation before we get it right.

We don't really know that :-)
But I'll certainly concede that this _can_ be the case.

Quite possibly not, but I doubt we'll be able to get a cloned brain to exhibit any sort of emotions or thoughts at all until we've been able to make it feel at home. In other words, if we can't get the chemistry simulation roughly right, it may be so severely dysfunctional we won't be able to measure much more than whitenoise on it.

If we're lucky (or not), intelligence is something that will tend to develop on its own once it's got a sufficiently sophisticated neural net to play around in. If so, we may not have to invent it as such but we could certainly have trouble recognizing it.
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Bent C Dalager wrote:

Sure. Isn't food one of Maslow's top three?
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I think credit should rather be going to the incredible robustness of DNA. Somehow, DNA seems to be very resistant to letting random mutations to its genes cause significant changes in the organism. Given this property, each actual change is incredibly small so even if the change is disadvantageous, chances are the organism will be able to cope. The weighted reproduction rate of the disadvantaged organisms is only slightly worse than that of the advantaged ones and so only in the very long term does the gene pool "improve".
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snipped-for-privacy@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C Dalager) wrote in wrote:

I think much credit probably should go to the DNA, but I don't think the question is either/or. The DNA doesn't do it alone.
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On 28 Aug 2003 20:27:40 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@echeque.com (James A. Donald) wrote or quoted :

There is a guy who builds little robots, using biological principles. He discovered they use far less electronics, and when they fail, they fail gracefully, gradually losing capability, rather than coming to a dead stop the way most computer programs do.
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Roedy Green wrote:

--------------- You're blathering about Mark Tilden, and he has dug himself into a hole at Los Alamos and can't get out. He has been fooling the govt into believing he has been doing groudbreaking work when he is actually revisiting 70 year old patents for pinball machine circuits.
He propagates the myth that little robot toys which have a few simple emergent properties, and which include random RC timing loop circuits, are somehow transcendant of processor technology, and that's been shown to be dead-end crap. I think he is now being investigated by the OMB.
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The guy I am referring to made no such elaborate claims, at least not in the clip I saw of his little beasts. It would have been on some video I got at the library. Sorry I can't be more specific. -- Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green. Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming. See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
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Roedy Green wrote:

----------- I have all such videos, he's the only one with that side-show. -Steve
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blather means "loquacious nonsense"
I think my report was accurate, even if you discredit the guy's work. I do run on often, but I think I described that succinctly.
Are you aware of the term "gratuitous insult"?
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Roedy Green wrote:

------------ Yes, and?

------------ Many do.

------------- Sure, but you repeated his own lies.

-------------- Oh yes, I like giving them very much. -Steve
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"James A. Donald" wrote:

LOL.
Biological systems have relied on bulk data quite a lot. Add 10 MB worth of useless data to a 30 byte program and it will become just as robust as DNA.
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A lot of animals communicate with one another. None of them have come up with a cross-species language (that we know), but then, neither have we.
Your criteria for accepting something not human as being intelligent is that it should be a lot more intelligent than we are to even be considered?
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Bent C Dalager wrote:

If so, I would find it curious to learn that a dog I spend a longer amount of time with will know what I'm thinking of.
Are dogs more intelligent than humans?
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:36:35 +0200, CyberLegend aka Jure Sah

I noticed that my dog Sheldon was more attuned to my emotional states than people were. He had the advantage of being able to smell my fear.
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