estes new waterburner and outlander kits as shown in sport rocketry

Coming soon. Prototypes were at the Hobbyvisions show right there in the Estes booth. The cool looking Modroc kits should be available 'soon' (possibly by or just after xmas for the big models and early/spring 2004 for the mini models). The H2+O2 rocket is being tweaked to improve performance. I suspect they will release it asap.

Estes would know more.

They have a website.

They have a phone.

They know what they have now, what they will have later, when they think they will ship and lots of other info. I suspect that if something is about to ship, they would love to tell you so they can get the "buzz" going (and get the pre-orders going on the on-line vendor websites).

Let us know what they tell you!

-Fred Shecter NAR 20117

Estes is a real business with a real staff. Shocking, eh?

I think they must've completed the tweaking phase, as it appears in the Sear's "Wishbook" which should be pretty widely distributed.

Page 87.

I want one too...

tah

and a real leadership that doesn't give a rats as$ about what happens to rocketry outside of their own product line!

Boycott Estes!

buy U.S. Rockets

- iz

Jerry Irv> Estes is a real business with a real staff. Shocking, eh?

Actually they actively attack it through regulatory burdons in concert with NAR and TRA.

I am more inclined to ask Estes to release a 1.4S 24mm D40and a 1.4C

My experience with boycotts is unless you can motivate a significant fraction of the user base to comply they are a total waste of time. Or actually increase vendor mindshare.

Jerry

Waterburner??? Sounds like my sister in law when she first got married. ; )

Randy

Sounds like a chemically pressurized water rocket.

Yeah, she tried to cook one of those too. ; )

Randy

Nope.

Not a "waterburner".

It's a Hydrogen gas burner. Actually "exploder".

Electrolosis of water and then sparking of the H2 and O2 to go POP/Zoom. Designed for science classes (outdoor use, of course).

Could be neat-o if it works as planned.

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:30:25 GMT, "Fred Shecter" is alleged to have written:

Could be even neater if it doesn't!

- Rick "Removing hair from water?" Dickinson

Hey, wasn't that Steven Wright?

In my house there's this light switch that doesn't do anything. Every so often I would flick it on and off just to check. Yesterday, I got a call from a woman in Madagascar. She said, "Cut it out."

-- Steven Wright

tah

And Edmonds, BMS, LOC, etc. etc....

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I bought some batteries but they weren't included, so I had to buy them again.

Steven Wright

absolutely!

I was including maufacturers of low power (novice to intermediate) kits, which is Estes market, and it is directed at newbies and BARs who will [re]enter the hobby at that level

if you are thinking of buying Estes, please consider the alternate vendors I mentioned (and others which may be mentioned)

here's two more manufacturers of low power rocket kits, of substantially higher quality than Estes

buy Aerospace Speciality Products

please support own vendors, those that have flown alongside us at many a launch

if you are buying HPR, all our vendors could use the help. Those who contributed specifically to the Save Rocketry Now (SRN) initiative can be found on the flyrockets.com Buying Rockets webpage at

PMLs website is at

- iz

Bob Kaplow wrote:

LOL!

make sure you send in the Rebate

( what's UP wit dat Rebate stuff anyway ? )

- iz

Mark Johns> I bought some batteries but they weren't included,

Iz

Bob had BMS in there

But for MR level the kit is surpassed by the engine cost after 2-3 flights. Estes could (I assume) give their kits away and make a comfortable living on the engine profit. (ex: the inkjet printer business)

As far as I know, all MR hobbyists are stuck supporting Estes. I'd be a happy camper if someone else showed up at the party with a similar line of A-D which helped drive prices down, but I don't see that happening.

Thanks for the links. When I finish my stash of Estes kits lying around I'll certainly consider some of the other vendors.

I agree. NAR is actively preventing it on at least three levels:

1. NAR S&T policies
2. NFPA policies proffered by NAR/TRA/Estes
3. Failure to honor its own lawsuit position re BATFE

Jerry

quest?