Coming soon. Prototypes were at the Hobbyvisions show right there in
the Estes booth. The cool looking Modroc kits should be available
'soon' (possibly by or just after xmas for the big models and
early/spring 2004 for the mini models). The H2+O2 rocket is being
tweaked to improve performance. I suspect they will release it asap.
Estes would know more.
They have a website.
They have a phone.
They know what they have now, what they will have later, when they
think they will ship and lots of other info. I suspect that if
something is about to ship, they would love to tell you so they can
get the "buzz" going (and get the pre-orders going on the on-line
Let us know what they tell you!
-Fred Shecter NAR 20117
and a real leadership that doesn't give a rats as$ about what happens to
rocketry outside of their own product line!
buy U.S. Rockets
buy The Launch Pad
buy Qualified Competition Rockets
Jerry Irvine wrote:
Actually they actively attack it through regulatory burdons in concert
with NAR and TRA.
I am more inclined to ask Estes to release a 1.4S 24mm D40and a 1.4C
24mm E50 so they are closer to needing reduced regs.
My experience with boycotts is unless you can motivate a significant
fraction of the user base to comply they are a total waste of time. Or
actually increase vendor mindshare.
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: firstname.lastname@example.org>
And Edmonds, BMS, LOC, etc. etc....
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html
I was including maufacturers of low power (novice to intermediate) kits,
which is Estes market, and it is directed at newbies and BARs who will
[re]enter the hobby at that level
if you are thinking of buying Estes, please consider the alternate
vendors I mentioned (and others which may be mentioned)
here's two more manufacturers of low power rocket kits, of substantially
higher quality than Estes
buy Aerospace Speciality Products
buy Pratt Hobbies
Doug Pratt has always been helpful in our projects to save rocketry.
Like the Senator Care Package initiative, which contributed to the
increase of S.724 sponsors; as was Tim van Milligan of Apogee,
please support own vendors, those that have flown alongside us at many a
if you are buying HPR, all our vendors could use the help. Those who
contributed specifically to the Save Rocketry Now (SRN) initiative can
be found on the flyrockets.com Buying Rockets webpage at
Frank Uroda of PML is undeniably the visionary who enrolled others. And
PML also sent a 10% discount coupon to everyone who contributed to SRN.
I, for one, will certainly give PML my business (along with other
noteworthy vendors, and those who simply had no means with which to
support the cause)
PMLs website is at http://www.publicmissiles.com /
Bob Kaplow wrote:
Bob had BMS in there http://www.balsamachining.com/ they are definitely
low power with their boost glider selections and parts. Put your
sunglasses on before you click on the url, I'm not responsible for your
discomfort if you don't.
But for MR level the kit is surpassed by the engine cost after 2-3
flights. Estes could (I assume) give their kits away and make a
comfortable living on the engine profit. (ex: the inkjet printer
As far as I know, all MR hobbyists are stuck supporting Estes. I'd be
a happy camper if someone else showed up at the party with a similar
line of A-D which helped drive prices down, but I don't see that
Thanks for the links. When I finish my stash of Estes kits lying
around I'll certainly consider some of the other vendors.
Not only does Apogee sell Quest, but Quest actually sells Quest.
Orders for bulk packs of kits and motors can be placed by contacting them. See
(I think the boycott idea will just increase sales. This is not "grapes" we're
about. You will never make a teeny-weenie dent in Estes sales unless you lay
front of every Wal-Mart, Michael's, Hobby Lobby, Hobbytown USA, Hobby People,
block access. Direct your energies to something positive and constructive. If
there is a
better alternative, people will turn to it. If you build it, they will come.)
that site has an under construction sign, with an announced "late fall
it does have some contact info, though:
I emailed them for a pricelist, catalog and list of dealers
P.S.: Fred, I never realisticly expected an effective boycott. Rather
my intention was to create awareness, esp. among our new visitors, that
other options exist - and that there is a case for opting out of
becoming an Estes customer and supporting our own vendors, including the
considerably better quality from rocket kits created by rocketeer small
Boycott Estes is an attention grabber. I think many seeing it would
read further to find out why.
Fred Shecter wrote:
Jerry is correct about the prices:
I have no special love for Estes, but I have no grudges either.
They're running a business, not a charity. Their attitude is a shame
but their management is free to run the company how they see fit. I
think it would be even worse if they were publicly owned because they
might adopt the sue-your-customers approach and shut down all websites
they didn't like.
I will continue to buy Estes motors, with neither a frown or smile on
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