Laser off the Moon

Because I'm a Ham Radio operator, I know that I can bounce radio signals off the moon. Not knowing that much about lasers, I was wondering what would be
the minimum strength and at what frequency would it take to reflect a laser beam off the mirror on the moon? Has anyone other than NASA accomplished this? Can an amateur do it? Thank you.
Cordially, west
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Oh, you must mean the different sets of laser reflecting "corner cubes" which were placed on the Moon by unmanned Soviet and US space missions, back in covered-wagon times...
Remember, because this particular evidence regarding the laser reflectors (which are indisputably on the surface of the Moon) has been repeatedly cited as "proof" that living human beings have actually been to the Moon and back (i.e., only by badly- educated cowards who were duped by NASA's propaganda machine), but were in reality *unmanned* missions at best that occurred nearly FOUR DECADES ago, I'll briefly address this issue one more time for the benefit of conscientious lurkers out there:
http://www.aerospaceguide.net/spacecraft/lunakhod.html "Lunokhod 1 was the first successful Soviet remote- controlled moon rover that was carried to the Moon by Luna 17. It was launched November 10, 1970. The rover had eight wheels. "The Luna 17 spacecraft landed on the moon on November 17, 1970. Lunokhod 1 weighed just under 2,000 pounds and was designed to operate for 90 days while guided by a 5-person team. Lunokhod 1 explored the Mare Imbrium for 11 months and traveled 11km and relayed television pictures and scientific data. Lunokhod 2 moon rover was an improved version of Lunokhod 1. It was carried to the moon on Luna 21 and landed on January 16, 1973. Lunokhod 2 was faster and carried an additional television camera. It travelled 37km in only 8 weeks." [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod1.htm "Lunokhod 1 went to the Moon aboard Luna 17. Its eight wire-mesh wheels each has its own electric motor to allow manoeuvring in tight spaces, and so failure of a single motor did not prevent it from moving. The lidded box at the left is a French-built laser reflector. It was used to reflect back to Earth a laser beam, making it possible to measure the distance between the Earth and Moon to an accuracy of twenty to thirty centimetres" [end quote]
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Lunokhod2.htm "There is an additional high-level TV camera for panoramic photography, and all lenses have improved sunshades. The small silver box between the front wheels is an alpha particle emitter which can be lowered onto the Moon to measure soil composition. Like its predecessor, Lunokhod 2 carries a French retro-reflector for use with a laser beam transmitted from Earth. It allows the Earth-Moon distance to be measured to an accuracy around 20 centimetres.
http://www.zarya.info/Diaries/Luna/Luna16.htm "the cone-shaped antenna keeps communication with Earth while the drill arm sits in its rest position on the right. The sample will be taken by rotating the drill head by one hundred and eighty degrees, lowering the drill arm to the surface and extracting a core sample. On returning to the rest position, the sample is transferred to the return capsule and sent back to Earth" [end quote]
Therefore the Soviet Lunokhod I/II-Luna XVII/XXI missions both successfully landed their unmanned remote-controlled lunar-rovers a.k.a. dune-buggies on the Moon: in the same time frame as the alleged "apollo" missions were supposed to have occurred. These remote-controlled Russian buggies placed French- made laser reflectors on the Moon! Another Soviet unmanned mission, Luna XVI, landed on the Moon and returned a soil sample to the Earth by September 24, 1970: from the Moon, unmanned, programmed and remote-controlled.
So laser-reflecting corner prisms were placed on the Moon by unmanned probes and a 100g x 35 cm soil sample drilled out from the lunar surface was sent back to Earth by this earlier of these unmanned missions all in the early 1970s. This completely and absolutely destroys any argument that lunar soil samples or lunar laser reflectors "prove" that men were on the Moon. Rather, as with all other evidences cited allegedly supporting of the "apollo" missions, upon precise examination the same evidence proves at least the "manned" portions of these apollo missions were definitely hoaxed. Men NEVER went to the Moon, because men have NEVER achieved and survived sustained altitudes much above about five or six hundred miles above Earth's sea level. Got it? Remember, the Moon is almost a quarter million miles away-- that's *HALF A MILLION MILES ROUND TRIP*! Get the picture?
By contrast, the Russians proved that they did send their unmanned probes to the Moon to wit: the presence of laser reflectors left thereon by the aforesaid Lunokhod buggies. It could be argued that the lunar soil samples were faked somehow, but laser reflecting corner cubes are irrefutable evidence that unmanned robotic probes put them there. See?
At least, the demonstrable presence of the "apollo" laser reflectors proves the American space program successfully sent some UNMANNED probes to the Moon -and- has continued to launch many unmanned instruments into space ever since. All these missions are UNMANNED. Why? The Sun, that's why. That's why they NEVER send men into outer space. Not once. Otherwise, they'd fry to a crisp in the intense radiation. _________________________________________________________
B-rate actors running along in their deflated monkeysuits, obviously recorded on high-speed film, "moon boot" foot- prints in undisturbed "moon dust" merely a few FEET from the missing blast crater! (that alone proves irrefutably that the Apollo "manned" propaganda was ineptly hoaxed), but everybody--every *honest* person--knows this already...
It's a PROVEN FACT NASA's six allegedly-manned half-million miles per round-trip(!) missions to the Moon (1969-72) were at best unmanned flights in competition with the U.S.S.R.'s contemporaneous Soviet Luna/Lunakhod unmanned Moon missions.
"They couldn't make it so they faked it." Thus, the "manned" portions of the missions were actually filmed under the top- secret, heavily-guarded domed soundstages in the high desert of Area 51, NV, perhaps around Pine Gap, AUS and maybe other remote and publicly-inaccessible locations around the world. __________________________________________________ Flags fluttering in the high-desert breeze, sand buggies & actors running along in their deflated monkeysuits-obviously recorded on highspeed film, conspicuous absence of blast craters, impossibly silent running under invisible exhaust emissions, brazenly obvious backdrops that contrast sharply against the nearby high-desert terrain ad nauseam! __________________________________________________ The Moon is FAR BEYOND the reach of manned spacecraft, to wit:
ALTITUDE COMPARISON CHART SHUTTLE VS. MOON & MANMADE SATELLITES (not to scale)
x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x | | | | | | | | ~ ~214,000 MILES ~ ~ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ~ | | | | | | x------High-altitude orbit ~25,000+ miles altitude------x | | x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x | | | | ~ ~10,000 MILES ~ ~ ~ | | x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x | | | | ~ ~10,000 MILES ~ ~ ~ | | x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x x------JPL/NASA Space Shuttle orbit ~300 miles altitude-x x------Intl. Space Station orbit ~220 miles altitude | x------Earth's sea level -0- miles altitude-------------x
To give you an idea of the scale involved, if each hard line break in the chart below equals roughly 10,000 miles, to wit:
x------Moon's mean geocentric distance ~239,000 miles---x | 230,000 | | 220,000 | | 210,000 | | 200,000 | | 190,000 | | 180,000 | | 170,000 | | 160,000 | | 150,000 | | 140,000 | | 130,000 | | 120,000 | | 110,000 | | 100,000 | | 90,000 | | 80,000 | | 70,000 | | 60,000 | | 50,000 | | 40,000 | | 30,000 | x------Geostationary orbit ~22,300 miles altitude-------x x------Mid-altitude orbit ~12,500 miles altitude--------x x------Low-altitude orbit below ~1200 miles altitude----x
Thus the low-earth shuttle orbit would fit somewhere between the center and baseline of the bottom 'x'--hardly visible at all at this scale. And yet, that is the highest altitude any manned flight has ever successfully sustained for any length of time. But the "men to the moon" fairytale devotees don't want to face up to these and other glaring facts in evidence:
*Altitude Comparison Chart of Shuttle vs. Moon & Manmade Satellites: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm ¨ snipped-for-privacy@anonymous.poster http://groups.google.com/groups?selm ¨2FLEI038814.6969560185 <AT> anonymous.poster
*Apollo Moon Missions 1969-1972 Were At Best *Unmanned*: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm= snipped-for-privacy@Gilgamesh-frog.org http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=VTKA4X1O37500.9704861111 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Quasi-Uncensored Apollo Moon Hoax Bookmarks: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm= snipped-for-privacy@Gilgamesh-frog.org http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=7RL5KJIX37499.1691435185 <AT> Gilgamesh-frog.org ______________________________________________________________
Merry Jesus-Christ-Is-LORD-Mass! & Io Saturnalia! Daniel Joseph Min http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin /
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"Dr M1N PhD" snipped-for-privacy@large.com wrote in message

Oh my God... are you saying that the Apollo astronauts were all - WOMEN!?
Like in that old "Matt Helm" movie? Man, that Dean Martin could act...
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Eekamouse wrote:

Worse. Pansies.
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Darrell & others
This crap is getting cross posted all over the place which means every time you reply you are causing more wackos to polute our group. Please ignore, filter out messages in this thread. A tip for spotting them - they commonly originate from Minh.
This is only going to rmr (I hope)
Phil
On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 18:59:25 -0500, "Darrell D. Mobley"

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Phil Stein wrote:

It helps insulate us from South African posts.
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"Please mummy - can't we tease the demented troll just a LITTLE bit?"
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Back to recycling this tired, oft-scoffed at delusion, Brad?
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:05:21 +0100, Dr M1N PhD
SNIP...

Don't bother Min no one cares what you, a crackpot, think. Address yourself outta' here!
SNIP ...
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