Re: Dump your CAM & get Cimatron



Maybe I could add some Cimatron short comings? Hmmmmmmmm maybe not. Jb please take the Cimatron ball & run - this ought a be good.
Engine room more speed the klingons are closing on us fast! Scotty here captain, I don't know if she'll take it!
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Man thats freekin GREAT! thank you as the late great Paul Harvey said "Good Day!"
Gil the HOLDZEM©® king - contrary to popular belief <now listening to Smokin Joe Kubek> again!
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over & over again & expecting different results.- Einstein?
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Wooooooow Better than sliced bread? Hey! thats HOLDZEM©® you guys are talking about now!
I stole that phrase about 4yrs ago. Wah Wah Wah!!!!!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280297868987&category=158950&sspagename=rvi:1:1v_
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I can't figure out what's causing it. Something to do with replying to google groups. made posts.
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Ok thats it, its now "official" From the desk of Kernel Cliff, from now on its Jonewsh.<ya-newsh> LOL JB & all the other common shmuck names too:-) Ya Jonewsh......... thats it. Ya gotta feel sorry for such a lost sole? Fuck he's bouncing off the 3D walls of the CAM/CAM world like a freekin wamo super ball! (loved those old balls) All ya can do is ??????
Sure doesn't seem like much relevant going on in this group lately.
anyone up for a 3D challenge?
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d.jpg
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/dxf_1.jpg
how long to model & progrom with your system - data supplied off DXF
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Ok truth is 1hr Solidworks , 1hr IT13, 1hr Hurco machine time.
I'm a turtle & very slow CNC guy.
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3Dchallenge_TP.jpg
anyone like to try it?
piece-o-cake? right?
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Hmmm intresting. If given the 2D dxf file & the print, would you use the CAD data to build the model? or just input the dim's off the hard copy?
I used both, double checking the math/geometry as I created the model. It definitely was a fooler for me. I too looked at it & said 10min tops. wrong! Damn Solidworks, it aint no Pro/E. (good thing) I had a bitch of a time making the 1/16ball cuts, till I figured out too "cut-away" more & "fill back in" Even the full ball fillets had to be "cheated" a few thou. Another SW trick. If it won't fillet with the proper size rad. try making the R. smaller till it will regen. It may be only a few tenths! to make work.
I could have done the whole thing in IT13 no problem. Working with solids & symmetry (every knows except Jonewsh) is much more productive, plus you get a "pretty" solid model for FEA/down stream work & exporting to the rest of the world(SW does make good exportable file formats)
Think its easy? Here's the 2d dxf file, if anyone wants to play.
http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d-challenge.DXF or zip http://users.cin.net/~milgil/3d-challenge.zip
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How much is the one for banquerbabble?
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negotiable with the amount of effort exerted in order to achieve the desired end result, basically its TIME & MONEY = anything can be done & undone or redone. We should be coming out of this "black hole" we are in soon according to the latest pole on wall street? Hell 387k/sec aint shit in a black hole. That what make's em black. No offense here with respect to our government spending at +387k/sec.
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Only the US has more billionaires than China. For a little bit yet I assume. A year or two?
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    CimatronE Version 9 Webinars: Schedule of Sessions
Click on the session name below for the registration page.
CAD II Friday, October 16th (10:30 AM - 11:45 AM) Assembly, Mold Design, and Parametric Relations
CAM II Friday, October 16th (2:00 PM - 3:15 PM) Finish & Clean-up
CAD III Tuesday, October 20th (10:30 AM - 11:45 AM) Electrode, CMM, and Drafting
CAM III Tuesday, October 20th (2:00 PM - 3:30 PM) New local operations in 3-Axis
CAM IV Thursday, October 22nd (2:00 PM - 3:15 PM) Editing, Simulation and Transformations
CAD IV Wednesday, October 28th (2:00 PM - 3:15 PM) Die Design improvements
Contact Information email: snipped-for-privacy@cimatrontech.com phone: (877) 596-9700 web: http://www.cimatrontech.com
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Tool Shop Optimization Webinar Survival of the Quickest
Greetings!
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Hari Sridharan, VP Engineering, Cimatron Technologies Inc.
Moderator
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* A Sign Of The Times * Who's Ready to Buy? * MOLD MAKING FOCUS Industry Has Turned Corner * DIE MAKING FOCUS 10 Design Laws for Tool Designers
FREE WEBINAR survival
Tool Shop Optimization Case Studies: Survival of the Quickest
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Greetings!
It's important for businesses to take action and assume responsibility for their own success, and not sit back waiting for the economy to change, or for government hand-outs to help. One local shop is taking an outward approach in expressing its stance on the Sign of the Times.
Purchasing expensive capital equipment is always a tough decision, and even more so in today's economic conditions. However, for those that have the money available or can get the financing - great buys are out there. And, as many shops are focusing on improving their processes, purchasing good equipment can be on the list.
It might seem a paradox, but as the economy slows down, it's the quickest that survive and position themselves for future growth. Rezmin Tool & Die (ON) and Diamond Tool & Engineering (Bertha, MN) are two such companies that are thriving in today's tough times. Learn how they do it by viewing the recording from this week's webcast with Modern Machine Shop, "Tool Shop Optimization Case Studies: Survival of the Quickest".
With the Mold Business Index reporting the end of the recession, now is the time for tool makers to get ready for the up-swing. Revisiting the basics and covering the fundamental 10 recommended design laws can be a good first step.
Enjoy the issue,
Lisa Sterling Director of Marketing Cimatron Technologies, Inc.
A Sign Of The Times sign of times
One shop owner sounds off on the "stimulus" package while giving credit where credit is due. Who gets the credit?
Who's Ready to Buy? money
Now is the time to purchase capital equipment at lower than ever pricing - if you can get the financing. Learn more.
MOLD MAKING FOCUS Industry Has Turned Corner
The Mold Business Index indicates the recession has ended. Get the details.
DIE MAKING FOCUS 10 Design Laws for Tool Designers
Fundamental tool design laws can help you anticipate and prevent possible problems, simplify operation and maintenance, and improve production and quality. Read the laws.
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    October 2009     The Knowledge-Sharing Newsletter
in this issue
* A Sign Of The Times * Who's Ready to Buy? * MOLD MAKING FOCUS Industry Has Turned Corner * DIE MAKING FOCUS 10 Design Laws for Tool Designers
FREE WEBINAR survival
Tool Shop Optimization Case Studies: Survival of the Quickest
Register to view now.
FEATURE PRODUCT CimatronE Version 9
Now Available!
CIMATRON TRAINING CLASSES
View current class schedule.
QUICK LINK
View Cimatron's GibbsCAM product line for production
Join our mailing list!
Greetings!
It's important for businesses to take action and assume responsibility for their own success, and not sit back waiting for the economy to change, or for government hand-outs to help. One local shop is taking an outward approach in expressing its stance on the Sign of the Times.
Purchasing expensive capital equipment is always a tough decision, and even more so in today's economic conditions. However, for those that have the money available or can get the financing - great buys are out there. And, as many shops are focusing on improving their processes, purchasing good equipment can be on the list.
It might seem a paradox, but as the economy slows down, it's the quickest that survive and position themselves for future growth. Rezmin Tool & Die (ON) and Diamond Tool & Engineering (Bertha, MN) are two such companies that are thriving in today's tough times. Learn how they do it by viewing the recording from this week's webcast with Modern Machine Shop, "Tool Shop Optimization Case Studies: Survival of the Quickest".
With the Mold Business Index reporting the end of the recession, now is the time for tool makers to get ready for the up-swing. Revisiting the basics and covering the fundamental 10 recommended design laws can be a good first step.
Enjoy the issue,
Lisa Sterling Director of Marketing Cimatron Technologies, Inc.
A Sign Of The Times sign of times
One shop owner sounds off on the "stimulus" package while giving credit where credit is due. Who gets the credit?
Who's Ready to Buy? money
Now is the time to purchase capital equipment at lower than ever pricing - if you can get the financing. Learn more.
MOLD MAKING FOCUS Industry Has Turned Corner
The Mold Business Index indicates the recession has ended. Get the details.
DIE MAKING FOCUS 10 Design Laws for Tool Designers
Fundamental tool design laws can help you anticipate and prevent possible problems, simplify operation and maintenance, and improve production and quality. Read the laws.
email: snipped-for-privacy@cimatrontech.com phone: (248) 596-9700 web: http://www.cimatrontech.com
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in this issue
* A Sign Of The Times * Who's Ready to Buy? * MOLD MAKING FOCUS Industry Has Turned Corner * DIE MAKING FOCUS 10 Design Laws for Tool Designers
FREE WEBINAR survival
Tool Shop Optimization Case Studies: Survival of the Quickest
Register to view now.
FEATURE PRODUCT CimatronE Version 9
Now Available!
CIMATRON TRAINING CLASSES
View current class schedule.
QUICK LINK
View Cimatron's GibbsCAM product line for production
Join our mailing list!
Greetings!
It's important for businesses to take action and assume responsibility for their own success, and not sit back waiting for the economy to change, or for government hand-outs to help. One local shop is taking an outward approach in expressing its stance on the Sign of the Times.
Purchasing expensive capital equipment is always a tough decision, and even more so in today's economic conditions. However, for those that have the money available or can get the financing - great buys are out there. And, as many shops are focusing on improving their processes, purchasing good equipment can be on the list.
It might seem a paradox, but as the economy slows down, it's the quickest that survive and position themselves for future growth. Rezmin Tool & Die (ON) and Diamond Tool & Engineering (Bertha, MN) are two such companies that are thriving in today's tough times. Learn how they do it by viewing the recording from this week's webcast with Modern Machine Shop, "Tool Shop Optimization Case Studies: Survival of the Quickest".
With the Mold Business Index reporting the end of the recession, now is the time for tool makers to get ready for the up-swing. Revisiting the basics and covering the fundamental 10 recommended design laws can be a good first step.
Enjoy the issue,
Lisa Sterling Director of Marketing Cimatron Technologies, Inc.
A Sign Of The Times sign of times
One shop owner sounds off on the "stimulus" package while giving credit where credit is due. Who gets the credit?
Who's Ready to Buy? money
Now is the time to purchase capital equipment at lower than ever pricing - if you can get the financing. Learn more.
MOLD MAKING FOCUS Industry Has Turned Corner
The Mold Business Index indicates the recession has ended. Get the details.
DIE MAKING FOCUS 10 Design Laws for Tool Designers
Fundamental tool design laws can help you anticipate and prevent possible problems, simplify operation and maintenance, and improve production and quality. Read the laws.
email: snipped-for-privacy@cimatrontech.com phone: (248) 596-9700 web: http://www.cimatrontech.com
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This is not to say that the work ahead will be easy. Surviving the recession's up-swing can be just as difficult as surviving the recession itself. Economic experts cite that, "Those who've invested time to rethink and improve their businesses are ones that will flourish. Those who've just managed to survive will find themselves desperately struggling as the economy follows this bathtub-curve progression."
Learn how Cimatron customers are surviving with speed and doing more with less by watching free webinar recordings, "Survival of the Quickest" and "Doing More with Less in a Sluggish Economy."
Some, like Cimatron customer, StackTeck (Brampton, ON), are experiencing global growth thanks to their collaboration with customers and getting early involvement in the part design process.
Speaking of quoting, it is a particularly challenging facet of business for Die Makers. With a best-case-scenario of one sale for every three quotes, what is the real cost of quoting?
Enjoy the issue,
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Do they have to be able to drill holes?
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I've gotten away from drilling/c-boring larger holes in the range of 3/8-1" & not to deep. Now days with the ease of conversational programming (at the machine), just circle mill'm. Saves tool setup time, better location, easily size adjustment ect. I allways have a 1/4,6mm,5/16&3/8 EM's in the carousel, but drills & c-bore'rs have to be continuely set up. Buy that time I'm done milling. -- \|||/ (o o) ______.oOO-(_)-OOo.____________________ ~ Gil ~ the self proclaimed IT13©® king
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Works well for ejector pins & water lines does it?
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Ko's(ejectors): are mostly 3/8 & smaller & usually deep - thru the block. Unless your referring to the pin itself? Those are tough to drill till you get past the nitride surface on the outside. Ejector pins come in many styles& material choices nowdays. Thru hard, close tol. for "cosmetic" apps, Then there's the return pins, angle pins (pecker pins), core pins(c&cx),HSS punches(bevel head, sqr head), dowel pins(pull&std, roll pins,leader pins,gas filled cooling pins - ok Moldmakers are pinheads?<g> You got me going on that one! I'll skip the bushings for now.
Cooling/heating lines: normally 7/16" & very deep! thank god for gun drills. Thermoset plastic & die-cast molds are heated with hot oil. Themoplastic molds are cooled, with water/antifreeze mix, or slightly heated & kept at a specific operating temp. depending on the polymer used. Oh dont forget about the kelrod heater holes that must be . 500/.501 dia.
End Moldmaking 101- the basics intro. Stay tuned next week for the dickhead design flaws!<g>
Hey wait a sec. this is a Cimatron post! How did I get so far off topic? Well here it is - Moldmakers best friend: CIMATRON. ok being politically correct I'll give UG a plug too.
-- \|||/ (o o) ______.oOO-(_)-OOo.____________________ ~ Gil ~ the self proclaimed IT13©® king
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