Was in a large train store today. Wanted to see a new Kato 70MAC for
the paint jobs and possible purchase ( I was on the fence on these).
They said they did not have any. I asked if they had not come in? No,
the came in but we did not get any for the store, mail order only.
Keep in mind this is a LARGE bricks and mortar train store. Huh? I
can see not ordering a ton of extras but NONE for the store? These
units just came out over the weekend so it is not like I am wanting to
see a release from a year ago.
Now why do train companies pay for (and bake into the price) full page
color ads in MR etc for product when it comes out, when the product is
not available and had to have been pre-ordered 6 months BEFORE the ad
was printed? Stop running the ads and keep a lid on prices or make
more I say.
Considering it was a Kato model, the store probably could not get
enough for all of their orders and any extra strock for 'walk-in'
sales. Kato has announced engines and did not produce enough of very
popular road names many times in both N and HO scale.
On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 20:32:04 -0700, Jim Bernier
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Once again, I fail to see how making less of a product than the
customers want is in the best interests of a business' bottom line?
I mean, the bottom line is the "reason" they are doing limited runs in
the first place, isn't it?
Kent "one vote against limited runs, please"
MrRathburne wrote in message ...
Well, how many newbies are going to shell out $100+ for an engine? I
know when I seriously got into the hobby in 1990, all my engine purchases
were Athearn blue box (RDC's, F7's, SW1200's, GP9's), and that was because
my father had Athearn in the 1960's. I didn't get my first Atlas for a
couple of years into the hobby, when I found out what was junk and what was
Last I checked, Athearn still makes blue box, and now you have P1K as
well. So what's the problem?
Paul A. Cutler III
Weather Or No Go New Haven
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:11:38 GMT, "Pac Man"
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Maybe, but that's not where I'm coming from.
When I got into the hobby, I found that one of the locomotives that I
wanted was released as a limited run about two years before I knew
that I wanted it.
What do I do? Spend months/years prowling E-bay, and pay more than it
originally listed for?
My beef isn't so much about cost (although it is always important),
but rather about availability.
A lot of distributors do this. However without going into details Walthers is
not one of those. Walthers also does not offer any "steeper discounts" on any
items. I can name several other sources that have substantially better pricing
on Atlas, LifeLike, Athearn, etc. I use these sources first. When they sell out
Walthers will probably stil have the items and then I have to pay their price.
Its does seem that local hobby stores are closing but when I think about
they have been opening and closing through out my modeling life. In my area
some hobby shops have come and others have gone but there are more today
than there were 25 years ago. We even have a trains only store with a great
selection and good pricing. You've been there I think. It's Discount Trains
in Addison (Dallas)Texas. I happened to have a handful of MR back issues
here on my desk I had pulled the other day that had some articles of
interest. The number of shops in the listings in the back are as follows.
April 1955 - 162. December 1981 - 568. January 1987 - 588. Jan 2003 - 464.
so it does look like they are in decline. But over all I wonder how many
hobby shops/retail outlets are out there if internet and mail order stores
are included compared to the total number of all outlets during the 80's or
90's? I know MR's subscriptions have declined but I wonder how many people
total subscribe to at least one model train magazine as compared to the
total back then?
Maybe fewer stores would close if they used Discount Trains as an
example at least for a store in a large metropolitan area. Specialized, Big
Selection, Good Service, Good Pricing and Lower Rent. Their location is not
exactly high profile as they are in a light industrial / warehouse type area
on a side street by the Addison airport. I'll bet everyone who is into model
trains in the DFW area and for many miles around ends up going there sooner
or later. Of course buying habits may be changing too. I know mine have,
Even with a great store like Discount Trains I spend about 50% of my train
money with internet or mail order stores because its either less time
consuming, much cheaper or they have something the LHS does not stock. 25
years ago I bought 80% or more of my stuff at the LHS and only bought
elsewhere when that was the only way I could get something.
By the way the selection of Blue Box kits, MDC kits, Accurail kits has
declined at Discount Trains but the RTR selection is huge. Craftsman kits
for rolling stock have completely disappeared. But then this is the summer
so the selection of kits may grow a lot in September and October, but I
think craftsman kits are gone for good except for special order. I also
noticed quite a few built up structures on the shelves, something I have not
noticed much of before. They still have quite a few structure kits though.
Yes, they are. Try finding an Athearn GP38-2 undec, or an undec SD40-2
w/pre-1980 Chicken Wire (or any other flavor) and just remember they only
came out with those a couple of years ago.
Also, go to the Walthers site, and do a search on them. A lot of the blue
box engines are in status "discontinued when sold out."
: As I said I am 'not sure' hence I don't know IF there even is a
: But, Athearn blue box locos are getting much harder to find. LHS are
: closing at a regular clip (for a variety of reasons).
:> MrRathburne wrote in message ...
:> >yes I am afraid you are right. Not sure what this will do for newbies
:> >coming into the hobby. I found a BNSF unit via the mail now so we
:> >will see what happens.
:> Well, how many newbies are going to shell out $100+ for an engine? I
:> know when I seriously got into the hobby in 1990, all my engine purchases
:> were Athearn blue box (RDC's, F7's, SW1200's, GP9's), and that was because
:> my father had Athearn in the 1960's. I didn't get my first Atlas for a
:> couple of years into the hobby, when I found out what was junk and what was
:> Last I checked, Athearn still makes blue box, and now you have P1K as
:> well. So what's the problem?
:> Paul A. Cutler III
:> Weather Or No Go New Haven
Our LHS still have a lot of blue box but I really think the coming trend will
be RTR. I was in a large hobby shop in Texas that I frequent about three times
a year. He is discount and does a temendous business in all scales. He is
also trains only. He used to have a long row of Athearn blue boxes which
contained everything they made. I noticed that was almost half RTR boxes from
Athearn now. Shows a definate trend
I don't mind the RTR line, but they seem to be moving away from doing
undecs. I do note that their SD50 RTR release is to include undecs,
though. At least that is a start.
Eppers: Our LHS still have a lot of blue box but I really think the coming trend will
: be RTR. I was in a large hobby shop in Texas that I frequent about three times
: a year. He is discount and does a temendous business in all scales. He is
: also trains only. He used to have a long row of Athearn blue boxes which
: contained everything they made. I noticed that was almost half RTR boxes from
: Athearn now. Shows a definate trend
Thank you for clearing that up. It is possible, then, that what I am
running into are individual retailers who are either discontinuing
carrying the blue boxes (whether Athearn is or not), or that have been
Dave Henk wrote:
:>Yes, they are. Try finding an Athearn GP38-2 undec, or an undec SD40-2
:>w/pre-1980 Chicken Wire (or any other flavor) and just remember they only
:>came out with those a couple of years ago.
:>Also, go to the Walthers site, and do a search on them. A lot of the blue
:>box engines are in status "discontinued when sold out."
: No problem finding the GP38 undecs. Both shell versions ae also available. My
: Walthers dealer software shows them in stock (therefore the Web site should
: have as well). Few chicken wire SD40-2's in any flavor are available but all
: the other variants are (snoots, pre & post 80's, and Q fan). Note that beside
: Walthers I see these available on a couple of other distribution sites I can
: access directly for stock inquiries. Walthers list 23 undec loco variations
: currently available. The only engines being phased out are the older an or fat
: bodies such as PB, U30's etc. The passenger cars, cranes, and a few other blue
: box kits are being discontinued in favor of ready to run versions. I still sell
: a reasonable amount of the kits and an increasing amount of the RTR. Some folks
: that probably would not have started model railroads do so with the RTR. A
: decent percentage of these do gravitate towards kits such as Proto200 and
: Intermountain and detail additions.
: I have gone into shops and have heard that the Athearn Blue boxes are being
: discontinued by Athearn. This is not so and shows lack of information on the
: part of the store owners. Athearn sent E-mails to store owners on their mailing
: list stating what the changes were going to be. Mostly it was weeding out kits
: and certain roadnames that were no longer selling well.