Con rod boring , long, was; Remetalling in NW?

I've had a frustrating & disjointed couple of days trying to get the Crossley BW1 sorted.

First cloud to appear was when I spotted that the steel dowel in the bottom B/E cap, which secures the thick-wall steel backed shells, was awfully close to the shiny new white metal surface. I had a closer look at the shells and could readily feel that the top was much thicker than the bottom so I did some measuring - the top shell was at least 12 thou thicker in the centre than at the sides, and the bottom shell maybe 15 thou thinner. This didn't seem right, it meant the crankpin centre would be 12 thou below its intended point. I phoned Malcolm at Lane Ends, he was quite affable, said if I was concerned to bring it back. He did point out, which hadn't occured to me before, that the bottom will probably be thinner because over the years the cap had had bits & pieces taken off it to adjust the bearing. Before taking it back I decided it would make sense to check the piston height at TDC. If that was right, there wasn't really a problem. The mains are tubular, the crankshaft is inserted into one side of the crankcase & a large circular casting carring the other main is then bolted on.Like some Lister CS engines. Here was the next snag - they had chamfered the wrong face of the timing end main, so the square end was facing the crank web & I couldn't get the web directly under the liner to assemble the rod into place. As I wasn't too happy about the big end, decided to take the whole lot back for them to look at. The place seems to be run by two brothers, Malcolm & another, with a third younger guy dividing his time between the workshop & the shop front. I'm afraid this younger guy managed to get my back up somewhat by trying to explain with all sorts of , IMO, utter bullsh*t why it was to be expected that the shell would be so much thicker at the top, and kept reassuring me with " believe me, you won't have any problem with it!". Malcolm (one of the brothers) then got involved and showed me how they remetal & bore con rods and why "it couldn't possibly be wrong". In short, they set the rod in a jig in a horizontal borer with the gudgeon pin in Vee blocks, clock the B/E central, then remove the rod, do the remetalling, replace it in the jig and proceed with the boring. As a method for doing direct-metalled rods I can't think of a better way. The Crossley though is a bit more 'modern' than that, with a proper ground housing for the shells. I can't see why the rod couldn't be clocked from the bottom ground semicircular face of the rod (not the cap half). I had to agree, though, I couldn't see how they could get it 12 thou out without something being disturbed. They chamfered the other face of the main for me, and assured me again that everything would be fine . Yesterday I was able to actually assemble the crank into place & fit the rod, to check the piston height. The top is supposed to be 'flush with or just below' the top face of the liner at TDC, with an absolute limit of 5 thou up. Surprise, surprise, it was 13 thou above the liner! If the cocky Scouse lad hadn't irritated me the day before, I would probably have just taken the piston home and skimmed 10 thou or so off the top but I felt driven to trek up to Prescot again to point out to him that his confidence about no problems was misplaced. I was then treated to another half an hour of utter bullshit interspersed with extremely half hearted offers to do the big end again but with no guarantee that it would be any better the second time(!), how long it would take etc, and more of the "believe me, you won't have a problem...). Malcolm, who I'd guess is much more knowledgeable and less prone to bullsh*t, was keeping a very low profile back in the workshop. They offered to skim the piston for me, but as I didn't have it with me it was much simpler just to go home & do it myself. The trip to Prescot was really a complete waste of time, I just got more irritated with their jolly scouser & they probably have me down as an awkward sod. This morning was spent scraping in one of the mains, not ideal with a tubular main as anything taken off is lost forever, one of them was bored slightly skewed so the crankshaft was binding severely when both mains were in place. Not an easy job either, slipping maybe 30Kg of crankshaft in from one end, putting the other main on, turning the crank then undoing it all while trying to keep some visible marks on the blueing. Luckily he'd left about 2 thou running clearance, a bit neat IMO on a 3.5" shaft, but meant that taking a bit off on opposite 'corners' doesn't leave a disastrous clearance. With hindsight I wish I had stuck to the original plan, which was to get Lane Ends to do the metalling, I would bore the mains myself and my usual local reconditioner would grind the crank & bore the B/E. I know them well enough that they wouldn't try to bullsh*t their customers. It just seemed simpler do get everything done in the one place.

If everthing had gone right, I would have been very happy with the service, but wasn't happy with the bullsh*t quotient when I started asking questions.

Moan over

Cheers Tim

Dutton Dry-Dock Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs Vintage diesel engine service

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Tim Leech
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Sadly your diatribe illustrates very clearly why we are becoming so litiginous; No b*gg*r will ever say "sorry I made a mistake" !! I use a near identical procedure myself and it does suffer from occasional operator error :-) I bet they clocked it from the big-end centre rather than from the little end. Just finished a mould for 1 /1/2 hp Petter M shells. The first pair are for PT-E so I hope they are right :-) Having bored the big-end it does look odd as the cap had been heavily and badly filed. So bad I had to take 6thou off to get a good non-rocking contact ! The end result looks decidely eccentric. The firm you used sound like one to avoid ! I'll wave as we pass you about 7:30 am tomorrow.... regards Roland

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Roland Craven

Yes

Probably fine usually,we all get things wrong now & again, I was probably unlucky in that there was more than one error on the one job & the approach of one of their staff didn't ensure that this customer went away happy.

Cheers Tim

Dutton Dry-Dock Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs Vintage diesel engine service

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Tim Leech

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