Pulling power

"Chris Wilson" wrote

In a word - no!

Before I stripped my layout I assembled a train of 55 Bachmann 16T mineral wagons plus a brake, and whilst all of my diesel models would walk away with same, of proprietory models only a Bachmann WD 2-8-0 and the same manufacturer's 9F 2-10-0 would haul it unaided.

The worst for haulage was a Hornby Black 5 which would struggled hopelessly to manage 30 minerals, and would stall to a halt on the sharpest curve on the layout.

John.

In message , Chris Wilson writes

Have you thought of a white metal kit body on a proprietary chassis?

I do not want to contradict John but I have an Trix/Lilliput A2 pacific which I have found has the best pulling power of any loco that I have used. It just pulls heavy trains up inclines without the slightest trace of slipping. It may be due to the cast metal body and drive to all three axles. The only thing about these locos is that the motor sounds like a sick washing machine.

Ian

Jane Sullivan wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk:

That's something to think about.

"John Turner" wrote in news:ekhd7b$6se$ snipped-for-privacy@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net:

So what's got a good flywheel mechanism, preferably with 8 driving wheels?

Now I remember a Bayer Garret in etched brass with 2 portascarp motors pulling and nearly pushing at the same time every coach we could add on the old Evercreach layout

What about one of these

or would that not match the rest of the layout.

Kevin

"Kevin" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@45g2000cws.googlegroups.com:

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'Fraid not, nor would it match my bank balance, this though would be ideal ...

(Loco42 - Hughes Class 31 (Large boiler)) I could cast some lead in to the boiler and put pick-ups on the tender and I reckon that it would be just about unstoppable especially with a low geared gear box.

However if I was to go to all that trouble there's no way it would spend its time abandoned in a siding hooked up to a jerry-built tack-cleaning train.

In message , Kevin writes

Hah! That's only got 12 driving wheels. What about one of these, with 16 drivers? If it can haul 100 wagons, it ought to be able to pull your rail-cleaner:

Apply Rule 1: It's my railway and I'll run what I like.

Jane Sullivan wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk:

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I've seen it already ... be assured the phrase "green with envy" can be applied.

Methinks there wouldn't be room for anything else on my layout, all I have is a pair of 50' (or thereabouts) loops in a garage with a few sidings!

"Ian" wrote

I was referring specifically to currently available proprietory models. I had (recently sold) a Stanier 8F built from a DJH kit and fitted with an RG4 motor which would pull anything I cared to put behind it, but that wouldn't have helped Chris much.

Funnily enough I've had several of the Trix/Lilliput A2s and one or two have been superb, whilst others wouldn't pull their own tender [1]. They all sounded like a sick washing machine.

[1] all mine were loco drive, but I'm not totally sure whether some had their motors in the tender.

John.

How about making it into a Top n Tailed Rail Head Treatment Train for the layout- should be no trouble with a pair of loco's.....

"Kirk" wrote in news:421bh.8471$ snipped-for-privacy@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

I've tried that, to many derailments, it only takes one engine to stall and the pull or push on the "rubber" wagon gets out of kilter and it goes for a nose dive ... hence I'm planning the Mk2 with bogie stock.

Chris,

I know you started off by asking if anyone knew of a steam loco that was able to haul a certain amount of wagons but the thread has moved on to diesels. I have two steep inclines on my layout and have found pilot locos or bankers to be of practical use. It does add another operating feature that was used in real life so you could get a steam hauled train being piloted by a diesel or steam loco and or banked by the same combination. It has been suggested that additional weight be put in the loco to improve adhesion but I have found steam locos lacking in space to apply this whereas a lot of diesel locos do allow this and from experience do improve the pulling power. The best banking loco would be a DJH LNER Beyer Garratt! My final suggestion, which is based upon diesel haulage, is to use a powered brake tender. I have got a Genesis kit of a brake tender and have filled it with lead, and have used two Black Beetle units as the bogies, and this outperforms some locos in its own right, but adds another aspect of railway operations that existed in real life.

Ian Robinson

Of course you might want to use DCC to control the piloting/banking. (TIC ! TIC ! TIC !).

Whats the pulling power of a wrenn ? I cleaned up a City of London for someone recently and that seemed powerful enough. An 8f would look good, an

8f always looks good.

Simon

I was looking for a picture of a Big Boy but could only find a Challenger.

Kevin

In message , Kevin writes

What, one of these?

a model thereof? even

"Ian" wrote in news:gt5bh.23495$ snipped-for-privacy@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

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It'd have to be a pair of kettles I'm aiming for circa 1925 or thereabouts so I can run stock with pre-grouping liveries togther with some of the earlier grouping stock.

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With a slight modification that's a very good idea, use a non running engine with some form of "inspection saloon" or carriage put into departmental use with a couple of black beetles, or perhaps a couple of carriages with 4 black beetles between them :-)

"simon" wrote in news:bs2dnc snipped-for-privacy@bt.com:

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Well if it'll ^$*")&^ £$%^ shut you up I'll try DCC on the 009 section I'm about to build!!!!!!!!

But I'm not rewiring the 00! :-)