OT Welder as power supply

Sep 16, 2006 10 Replies

I have an odd job at work that needs a BIG powersupply to run a small furnace - ideally I want to be able to dump 8 Kilowatts into a resistor, and let it get hot. Very, very hot. 2500F hot.



Now our existing system uses a 1500 USD transformer to do that, but I acquired an Inverter TIG a few months ago, which is almost the same output power, weighs next to nothing and cost damn all (by comparison to a transformer, power control electronics, circuit breakers etc in the current system). The saving in shipping costs for the final rig is worth considering too !



Is using a TIG supply a really stupid idea ? 30 volts is a typical on-load output voltage, at up to 150 Amps, at 100% duty cycle, which is just enough. Are there any obvious gotchas ?



Thanks for your input



Steve



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I would check first that the inverter is continuously rated - welding is normally an intermittant process. BTW I think the arc voltage is nearer 20-25 when running.

AWEM

I'd have concerns with the duty cycle rating. Most welders are duty cycle rated for 1/2 hour, not hours and days on end.

As an example, my old 180 amp buzz box is rated at 100% duty cycle at

100 amps. The manual also allows it to be used for pipe thawing (100% duty cycle for hours!!!) but only at 40 amps.

Any reas> I have an odd job at work that needs a BIG powersupply to run a small

I would like the small size and weight of the inverter TIGS, and DC reduces vibration in the elements we are using.

Would beefing up the cooling arrangements extend the duty cycle ? The unit we are using this inverter in is actually water cooled. We could modify the inverter to have water cooling

Steve

The two key areas that get hot are the semiconductor heat sinks and the transformer core. In theory, the heatsinks could be water cooled without too much trouble. In practice, they are usually insulated from ground so that the cases can 'float' independent of each other. Your coolant is a conductor.

Cooling the transformer core is not easy at all. High speed air is about it, still doesn't help move the heat from the center of the core to the surface.

I wandered around the Lincoln and Miller sites looking at the welders and duty cyle charts. Miller has the easist charts to get at, they are at the bottom of each of the spec sheets. Note that these are trasnformer units with AC/DC output. You would need to go to a 3 phase unit to get smooth DC.

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Inverter units seem to be really weird in the max ratings.
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What you really want is an old 'bullet top' DC Lincoln welder. Old, ugly, and cheap. But it just sits there and puts out the power.

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Then there is this method......

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Just scale it up.

Gunner

"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."

- Proverbs 22:3

Then there is always "Fluorinert"....

Steve

Since the wound components are disproportionately expensive, I wonder how much the manufacturers economise by saying x % duty cycle.

Isolating the heatsinks wouldn't be too hard.

Theoretically, I could design a PSU to do it, but when what I want seems to be sitting in a little box waiting to be used, I'm really tempted by this approach !

Steve

Have you considered using high resistance furnace wire and a simple variac? That's all I have for my small foundry furnace and the temperatures get to just 2,500f...

Wayne

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Sorry Wayne, my mistake in a unit conversion - we are running at 3200F,

1750 C. At that point there ain't a lot of solids left !

Steve

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