ok so after doing some research,and reading about 100 bad reviews about
megatech I canceled my order of my freedom flyer. Now I gotta choose
something to replace it. Cant exceed 200.00, must be rtf. Like I said
my local store has aerobird. I feel i would grow out of a begginer slo
plane. What about a j3cub? or something along those lines. I need input
tonight as I either ordering tonight or heading to the store in the
morning. THanks Guys
The electric version may be tame enough for a beginner.
The closer it is to scale, the harder a J3 is to fly:
narrow landing gear
Trainers look a lot like Cubs, but their proportions
are subtly and significantly different.
Crap. The J3 Cub is the only taildragger plane that I have, in 15 years as an
instructor, recommend as a trainer.
I've often said, "If you can't fly a Cub, you shouldn't be flying."
The Cub is one of the most gentle planes in the air (Old-Timers and gliders not
withstanding). It's very forgiving, easy on the controls (the clipped-wing
version is aerobatic), slow flying, easy to land and fairly easy to take off.
A taildragger is no more difficult to take off than a trike style, provided the
gear is set up properly.
Long wings lend a glider effect to the plane.
The fuselage is short, but the moments are in proportion.
Nothing wrong with barn-door ailerons on a trainer.
Most trainers have flat-bottom wings.
The landing gear isn't that narrow and not so tall; but I guess nothing is,
compared to a Fokker Dr. 1.
See taildragger comments above.
The rudder isn't really small. It's just that the horizontal stab is
I have and will heartily recommend a J3 Cub, especially in the larger sizes, as
a suitable and effective trainer for a novice.
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
On 24 Jan 2005 02:23:00 GMT, email@example.com (Dr1Driver) wrote:
A challenge to newbies.
And adverse yaw.
Most modern trainers cheat with a little camber toward the
The Cubs with which I am familiar are prone to ground-loop
both on landing and on takeoff. You've got to be on the
rudder all the time (a function, in part, of the small
rudder area and short fuselage, plus the narrow gear).
OK. People of reasonable intelligence and good will often
disagree with each other.
Get an Easystar, it's a pusher prop, bit bigger than an Aerobird. Do
search, it's very popular. Will fly in more wind than a Slow Stic
View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid2627
You will definitely grow out of a beginner slo plane, but you'll
probably NEVER grow into something more advanced, especially if you
plan on trying to go it alone.
But, you know better... Go ahead and get yourself that hot rod P51,
smash it into a million pieces 2 seconds into the first flight, go home
pi$$ed, blame us for leading you astray, and quit the hobby.
I *really* don't get it. A few months back, I asked a few questions
here about starter planes for antisocial people like me who don't
want to join a club, etc.; I got flamed left, right, and center,
told I'd crash in the first 20 seconds and go home crying, etc.
Well, I bought my 8-year old son a Scout, let him spend a bunch
of time learning to handle various 4-channel planes on FMS, and
then told him about the difference with a 2-channel like the scout.
We went out on a cool afternoon with 0-3kt breezes and a large open
field, tested the radio, etc. I warned him that the plane
might well crash and break into bits, but that I thought that
if he handled it carefully, we'd probably be able to patch together
any damage done.
Then I said "For the first flight, I want you to just apply full
power until the plane rises a *little* in the air, then cut back
gradually until you glide to a landing. DON'T TOUCH the
He did so, but the "reduced power" reaction of the scout was to
pitch down a good deal, and he nosed into the snow. We picked up the
plane, wiped it off, and did it again...and again. After 4 or five
times, he had it pretty well figured out, and could apply power just
before landing to keep the nose up. Then we did some large
rectangular flights; then the battery started to die, and we quit.
Right there we'd gotten our $75 worth of fun. We've gone out a couple
more times since then. He still tends to favor bang/bang control
(full-on, full-off), but is learning to value subtler motions.
We flew out on the local highschool field last weekend and
he just about managed to get it through the goalposts on his
Maybe this Spring we'll build ourselves a Wally Wing or something,
maybe even wind our own CD-drive motor for fun. Maybe not.
But I don't think that this experience has particularly
ruined either him or me for the hobby.
But maybe one of you folks out there can explain to me
why I was an idiot to spend such a lot of time having
fun with my son, figuring out something together, rather
than going to a club ...
[Yeah, I know...insurance. Well, my circumstances were a little
unusual: during our first flights, there was no one else within
miles, so I felt pretty safe...]
If you say I *have* to, maybe I'll do that. But I *think* the
route I took was more rewarding, no?
I made my first attempts prior to using fms. Let me just say that the
simulator mad all the difference. No patience/schedule for an instructor or
funds for club initiation fees.
I don't know why there are so many club overtones. Surely some just want to
see a newbie crash a new plane without having to get up ;) I think honestly
people have different conceptions about RCing, as evidenced by the assertion
that your first plane would be a p51. Instead it was a $50 electric that
borders on disposable.
It does get more dangerous with gas, and I think a number of people assume
that is where newbies are starting and thus envision lots of chopped up
fingers and planes sticking out of peoples heads. But something like a
scout can teach you respect for a prop with a lot less risk than most any
Here is a $60 foam electric a10 with small ducted fans which is about the
safest approach to RC'ing there ever was and it should survive most computer
simulator assisted learning curves:
You'll need some lightweight radio gear to put in it. I found an a10 fms
model online also, dont remember where though.
That's a tough one, If I can even talk to another person for 5 minutes
without getting into a fight then it is a major accomplishment ;) Clubs
aren't for everyone, but being able to work with other people is a skill in
and of itself, and some may find that rewarding, if not downright useful.
You know i tryed to learn on my own the frist three planes I had hite the
ground very quick. So i gave up on the hobbie and went back to RC Cars for
the next 10 years. I still wanted to fly it just looked like so much fun but
it was a big cost when thay hite the ground and you had a bag of fire wood
to take home. So i found a club that had people that would help me with the
learning steps i needed to fly. I found a great bunch of guys at a club in
Columbus GA AMA Club 217 thay took my new avistar looked it over and then
took it out for the frist flight. The plane looked like a eagle in the air
to me it was great just looking at a plane that was mine in the air and not
coming at the ground LOL. The next week i was ready to start my training i
had a guy that was about 17 years old that was going to help me learn. The
frist time i was at the controls he said i did very good. but i was scared
out of my mind LOL After three weekends i did what i had been trying to do
for a long time i took off and flew the plane with out the buddy box and
made a real nice landing i did this four more times that day with my trainer
close by. The next day thay turned me loose with the plane. And i have been
having the time of my life for the last 5 mo's i have crashed two plane that
will never be put back togather again. most of the crashes was from just not
knowing what to do at the time i need to do it. but i have made some real
bad landing and a lot of real good ones. the more i fly the better i get. So
if you dont know and don't have anyone to help i would say get a small
electric plane and learen from it. before you try the bigger gas planes.
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