Thanks for the synopsis and update, Ed.
I tried to buy AFPD a while back, but was led around in circles by the
website and never was able to purchase online. That has been a while now.
The site looks different now, so I'll try again.
I don't like using one of my real transmitters for simulations for the
reasons you named previously. So, being able to use the G2 Tx will work out
Anyone want to swap something for a barely used copy of G3? You'll have to
work out how to get it activated - IF you can get it activated. I'm through
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 09:52:48 -0500, "Ed Cregger" wrote in :
Keep us posted on how the G2 works with AFPD. I may follow
you down that road. I have G2 and have been happy enough
with it, but I don't hear anything about G3 that makes me want
to get into it. AFPD sounds like a better route.
I wouldn't want to spend more than that on the off-chance I can
get it to work. :o(
I bought AFPD from Ohio Model planes @ $181.90 incl S/H. Now it's $179.95 +
$4.95 S/H Check them out here
Be advised that It
works with the *G2 USB Interlink* controller I'm not sure about plain ol'
G2. Check out the bottom of the link page and you will see the Chip Hyde
video and many others. If you have any questions give me a shout. Good
Thanks for the tip.
I hate to do this. I mean, well, you'll know what I mean.
PCPhil was right. I am having a video problem with my computer. Now to find
a suitable replacement video card that does not cost an arm and a leg, but
which is adequate for flying model sims. It has to be compatible with the
VIA chipset this pig is running.
I still do not like the way they changed engine selection and model set up,
but I have to be fair to Real Flight and apologize until I install another
video card. Then, if it still does the same obnoxious things, like having
the model fly to pieces before it hits anything, heh-heh (spoken as Louie
One of the great defenders of G3, please explain to me what, "current mass
of self" and "current mass of children" means.
I did a sloppy landing and hit the tail square on the ground with the nose
high. The vertical stabilizer popped off. Say what?
Does anyone think that a new video card will cure these problems?
Tower, WTF were you thinking when you approved carrying this POS?
Please offer me a refund. I dare you.
Ed, I think that's probably just the way they programmed collisions. It is
possible that if your frame rate is too slow, you're hitting harder than you
think and the screen hasn't shown it. A video card to truly keep up with G3
maxed out is pricey, 200+
I'd really try to find some local flyers with the other two sims to try
before I'd go that route. It might be that you'll only end up hating it,
but looking good while doing so....
Collision detection is iffier on the photo real landscapes than the true 3D
landscapes, but the true 3D demands more of your video card.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Cregger"
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Real Flight G3
Thanks, Phil. I'm going to hold off on doing anything, video card wise.
I'm entering a period of my life (old age) where my old paradigm of reason
and logic appears to be fading into the past.
Things like G3 do not make sense to me. I don't understand why someone
having G2 as a successful product, not that it is perfect, would come out
with something like G3 and then tout it as though it was improved. To my
line of reasoning, it is an abomination. Nothing has been "improved" except
things that do not count toward making it a better simulator. It is as
though the original idea of offering a simulator for flight training has
turned into eye candy for morons. Is that the future? Are we seeing the
dumbing down in action? Is this what the progeny of the drug generation deem
Sorry for being so "negative". But I didn't start this - Real Flight did and
Tower took my money, knowing full well what they were selling. Or did they?
This is my last post about G3, or any other Real Flight product.
When I got G2 I went to my PC builder shop and tried one video after
another till I got one that worked..condition of purchase was that it would
Fog doesn't work well, but who cares.
I normally fly with out 3D background as well. Speeds it up.
Ed, don't you think it is likely that neither Real Flight nor Tower were
aware that you were having a video problem?
Steve Kaluf, in his review of G3 on Tower's web site, wrote about his PC and
said: "The machine had 512 MB of RAM shared with the video card. I was
thrilled that a machine without a high end video card or dedicated video RAM
was able to run such a graphics-intensive simulator! I had been prepared to
have to buy a high end card to add to this machine, but it wasn't
I was mellowing a bit, after seeing my neighbor's lovely daughter. She
always improves my mood.
Then I ran across the parent/children thing...
If you have a terrible tooth ache one day and while driving to the dentist
your car malfunctions, forcing you to cancel the dental appointment and call
a tow truck instead...
My video problem has nothing to do with the remainder of the faults of G3.
The video problem is not the basis for most of my complaints.
It's only $200. I've shit canned that much money before without batting an
eye. This certainly isn't worth the time that I have devoted to it.
Suggestion: get onto the website of the manufacturer of your video card and
download its latest drivers. Your statement that the video card is not the
basis for most of your complaints may not be really logical; IF you are
having video problems (as you yourself has said) then you should resolve
them before you criticize G3. Such problems could certainly affect the
operation of G3.
It will definitely run on a lesser machine with the eye candy turned off. I
think the main problem is that the only real improvement to G3 seems to be
the eye candy. As Ed said, the physics don't seem to be any better, some
critics have said they've gotten worse. I've spent some time with the demo
version today, and I'm now convinced I didn't make a mistake when I choose a
No, you missed my point. My description must be lacking, though that would
not be surprising.
There are enough issues with G3, issues that are not video related, that
even if my computer/video system was absolutely perfect, the other issues
would make it a poor simulator. I hope that was clear enough.
However, how could one plan on selling a lot of G3 copies that require the
latest and greatest computers on which to run, knowing full well that the
majority of R/C folks are not equipped with the latest and greatest in
computers? That position alone makes me wonder where their heads are at.
G1 ran well on my AMD 333 MHz equipped computer some years ago. The flight
model, though not perfect, was good enough for providing useful training for
newbie pilots, or pilots that wanted to upgrade their skills by trying new
maneuvers that they were afraid to try on their real model. G1 fulfilled its
function for me. The 3D heli sims were good and usable by someone like me,
mostly an airplane enthusiast.
G2, ran fine on my 1.5 GHz CPU equipped computer. Unfortunately, the presets
for helis were a little hard to figure out for someone like me, who likes to
fool around with helis, but doesn't really want to get into the nuts and
bolts of programming the radio for 3D heli.
G3 is sluggish on my AMD 64 3200+ equipped computer. The presets for helis
is better than G2, but there are many other issues that bother me.
I venture to say that the vast majority of R/C folks that would like to fly
on a simulator do not have a 2 GHz or higher speed processor equipped
computer. Much less a $200 video card. What was Real Flight thinking?
If you want to sell the maximum number of units, you design your ware to be
used on what the majority of your potential customers own. Not what some kid
with free reign of Mom and Dad's credit card will buy for gaming. Of course,
this is part of the old paradigm thinking that I mentioned a while back. You
know, where you have to make a profit in order to stay in business?
I update my drivers weekly. I have a membership with
couple of others. I also go to the factory sites for my components to see if
the above folks have missed something.
Instead of designing software for the very best computers available and then
having to spend endless hours answering emails and phone calls asking why
their program doesn't run on someone's two year old computer, wouldn't it
have been smarter to target the type of computers that the target consumer
would likely be using?
Most folks that I know who would be prospective customers for such a program
do not perform their own maintenance on their computers. They take them to a
shop and have those folks work on them. They don't replace video cards or
add RAM as time goes on. When the computer is three or four years old, they
buy a new one with what they hope will be all of the latest and greatest
components that are available for "normal" computer usage. Making programs
that only work on a computer geek's computer limits the satisfied number of
G3 users dramatically.
This is America and one has the right to fail in business, just as they have
the right to succeed. Someone else will come along, realize the niche that
is begging to be filled and will be picked up by Tower Hobbies (assuming
they survive the ownership transfer that just occurred). Real Flight will
then become history, as so many other model gear manufacturers have done in
I wish them (RF) luck, but they really are going to have to give up their
computer priesthood status, remove their magic cloaks/pointy hats and begin
addressing the fact that they must sell many, many units in order to make
Tower Hobbies some money. When the word gets out that Real Flight caters
only to other computer geeks, the normal R/C folks will cease buying their
And this truly is my last response on this subject.
I know you said you're done with this topic Ed, but I found out something
kind of weird. I got the Nexstar edition of G2 with my plane last year.
It's been a while since I've played with it, but I never uninstalled it even
though I bought G3.
When I fly my Nexstar at myself on my G2 sim, it dives after passing through
me just like the planes dip in G3. I would be surprised to learn that your
version of G2 doesn't do this, even though it's one of the annoyances that
you've mentioned with G3.