Wearing leather gloves while adjusting engine

Who the hell said anything about sticking their hand in a spinning prop? Were you the one who wrote "I appreciate the POLITE approach, sir." last week, or was that one of your other personalities? Appears you expect others to be polite to you, but you feel no need to extend the same courtesy to others. Looks like YOU are the JERK Mr dr1.

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hdykbis
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That's part of the contention. Kevlar won't cut through or sever, but leather and other materials can.

(It's difficult to be impressed by cleverness in these discussions. I took part in years of flames on motorcycle safety gear. One group spouts flamboyant prose about preemptive body bags and brain buckets. The more moderate view them as removable, sacrificial skin grafts. The real answer is to not fall down. IOW, keep the fingers clear of the prop. And as in any other discussion where the term "horsepower" has relevance, the old sage observation applies: Stupid hurts!)

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Boat

LOL!

Thanks for sharing the proverb. I haven't heard that one before--but I've experienced it. ;o)

Marty

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Martin X. Moleski, SJ

Yes it does, and your suggestion to simply keep clear is a good one. However, for that one-in-a-hundred instance when I'm distracted or simply forget, I want protection backing me up.

I worked in a plant where there were several punch presses. They all had pullbacks as prescribed by OSHA. These were braided wire attached to a over-the-thumb harness and actuated both mechanically and by an air cylinder. Although I worked in Engineering, I somtimes ran a press. When I did, although I moved my hands out of harm's way manually, I still wore the pullbacks. Safety is the ultimate responsibility of the operator of the equipment, but safety devices are there to be used, and part of that responsibility is to use them. Why take chances?

People: wear the gloves, use the chicken stick or electric starter. Stay clear of the plane of rotation of the prop. Adjust the engine from behind. Don't risk your hands, it's not worth it. Grafts and reattachment don't work as well as the original does. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"

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Dr1Driver

My issue was just with adjusting them after starting. I've already got an electric starter that I use to get them going.

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Matt Senecal

It's still a "hand in the prop" issue. Caution and respect are the words for the day. I've never used a glove for adjusting, and I always adjust from the back. Dr.1 Driver "There's a Hun in the sun!"

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Dr1Driver

And even your dullest knife is likely to be much sharper than your prop. You're suppose to sand down the flash, remember? Not file the edge of the prop into a razor sharp blade.

And as another poster mentioned, the cleaver will have a lot more momentum than the prop, and the cleaver/glove combination also doesn't let the glove move out of the way after being hit like the glove/prop combination would. If you want to do a better test, put some hotdogs (fingers) into a glove, and test that in your running prop. The hotdogs will be a lot more fragile than your fingers, but should give you a good feeling for what could happen to your fingers.

The `we don't use gloves when doing wood working' data point doesn't really apply either. When you put something into a band saw, it just keeps going. If you slow it down, it just pulls harder, and if it's a gloved hand, it'll happily pull it in and shred it. But if you put something into a prop, the engine usually stops immediately. In that case, you'll be glad you have the glove.

| Moral of the story: Leather gloves provide JACK SQUAT in the way of | protection from high-speed propellers.

If you say so. I don't buy it. I certainly believe it's not perfect protection, but I imagine it's way better than nothing. And I'm not going to stick my hand into a running prop, gloved or not, to test it. (But maybe I'll try some gloved hotdogs sometime.)

My finger is aching a bit today, where the engine backfired and hit it (cutting it deep and doing some nerve damage.) I fully believe that if I'd been wearing a leather glove at the time, there would have been no damage -- probably a stinging finger (for a few minutes) at most.

| Gloves also mess with your sense of touch.

Yes. And this makes many activities more difficult or impossible, and probably does increase the chance that your hand will end up in the prop (which I imagine is your point.) But I imagine it's still worthwhile protection -- but still no replacement for being aware of the danger of the prop.

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Doug McLaren

I'm somewhat surprised you didn't point out the opposite, given your current condition. Nerve damage also messes with your sense of touch, a bit more permanently. (Removable sacrificial skin graft...) Hangar 9 sells engine starting gloves. I saw them on the rack in the LHS yesterday evening. How timely, I thought, and then left the store without a pair.

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Boat

| > Yes. And this makes many activities more difficult or impossible, and | > probably does increase the chance that your hand will end up in the | > prop (which I imagine is your point.) But I imagine it's still | > worthwhile protection -- but still no replacement for being aware of | > the danger of the prop. | | I'm somewhat surprised you didn't point out the opposite, given your current | condition. Nerve damage also messes with your sense of touch, a bit more | permanently.

To be fair, my `condition' is rather mild. The finger still has feeling, but it's a bit wierd. It `feels' something all the time. It's been a few years, so I'm guessing it's not going to heal any more.

I imagine I won't be reading braille with that finger, but beyond that, it's just an annoyance more than anything else.

But I did learn my lesson :)

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Doug McLaren

Nerve tissue can regenearte lsowly. I cut te tip nearly off my finger with a scalpel about 40 years ago. Its still 'feels different' but its better than it was 20 years ago.

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The Natural Philosopher

Nerve tissue can indeed repair over time. When I was a young man of 15yrs I unfortunately had an accident at work which resulted in my left hand getting crushed in machinery. All fingers were smashed with very severe damage to the index and 3rd fingers, the index finger was 90% severed. Doctors advised I have the fingers removed as The nerves and guides were severed and I would be unable to use them again, anyway I got them to stitch it all up the best they could and sure enough the 2 fingers were totally unusable for about 10 years, in fact they used to get in the way which was the reason doctors suggested their removal. However after many years I started getting feeling sensation and slight movement in the tips of the fingers and 3 or 4 years later I had virtually full use again. They are not exactly straight and pretty but at least I can use them. That was 50 years ago, boy am I glad I didn't listen to the doctors! :-))

Time is a good healer. Hope it is for you too! :-))

Regards

Mike

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Mike

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