Import BXA toolpost experience

I'm looking at an Aloris wedge type quick change toolpost on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item@0079307130&ssPageName ­ME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Although the seller (Discount Tools from Huntingdon Beach CA) shows a piston type post, he said that ad is for the wedge type post and that it all has been hardened and ground. Anybody know anything about this seller or this particular Aloris knock-off? Has anybody had a bad experience with the import knock-offs other than that the screws on the individual tool holders need to be replaced.
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Mine is a piston type and I am very happy.
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On 2010-05-18, GeoLane at PTD dot NET <GeoLane> wrote:

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GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:

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My PhaseII piston set seems fine.
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the imports are "OK" but you can usually get used Aloris for the price of the import - I find that the real thing is much more consistent and stronger - I replaced my import with a real Aloris, and I generally avoid the import holders too unless I find a pile really really cheap -
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Do you run into used BXA Aloris posts often?
My Clausing 6903 sports a Genuine Aloris AXA post but that is a bit small given the 3 HP and working varidrive.
I'd love to have a decent used BXA Aloris w/o paying near oem prices. I'm holding off on expanding my tool holder collection based on knowing I'm using a too small post.
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    I don't know about him, but *I* don't -- except at insane prices on eBay.
    I've seen one really old BXA sized toolpost by Aloris -- made back when they still made piston style toolposts, for about $100.00. This was at Cabin Fever.
    I *bought* a used (but in very good condition) Dorian toolpost (BXA sized) for $100.00, and am using that in place of the Phase-II Wedge which I have several years of use on. This one I picked up at a meeting of our local metalworking group -- where at least one member shows up with a lot of used tooling, sometimes something which I can't resist such as the Dorian toolpost.

    Yes -- it would be better with a BXA size.

    I would suggest that you make the initial step by buying the Phase-II wedge style Series 200 (BXA sized) toolpost, and a few of the corresponding holders (plan on replacing the setscrews which hold the tools), and keep waiting for luck with genuine Aloris. This will let you buy genuine Aloris holders as you find them, and use them with the Phase-II toolpost until you get the Genuine Aloris or perhaps (as I did) the Dorian. With the Dorian, I suspect that I will not keep looking for a genuine Aloris toolpost. The Dorian is at least equal quality, if a somewhat different (but just as good) locking system as the wedge style Aloris. Both are *vastly* better than the piston style posts in my opinion.
    Some holders from Aloris tend to go used on eBay for prices just a few percent below what MSC sells them for new, so for those, I bite the bullet and buy new. I never felt that strongly about the toolpost itself, once I had the Phase-II working for me on my Clausing, so I collected a good supply of various genuine Aloris tool holders, many used, but a few new. One of the most interesting genuine Aloris used ones which I got was a knurling tool which had two arms sticking out above and below the workpiece which traveled on a vertical dovetail with a leadscrew connecting them -- left hand thread at one end, right hand at the other so the arms remained centered once you set the height correctly the first time. A *lot* better than the bump style, knurlers, even in genuine Aloris. This is a scissors style knurler made the way they *should* have been made from the beginning. :-)
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I'm going to get a BXA in a wedge soon. I happen to have some aloris and Yuasa holders that were part of the lathe deal. The seller didn't realize they didn't fit.
The Phase II sounds like a good bet. If it doesn't measure up, I send it back until I get a good one.
Darn unexpected expenses are killing me at the moment. Having had a long term job fall out from under me once (bankruptcy), I'm very leary of dipping into savings for something non-essential. One time experiencing a job loss in a bad economy (2001) in a state that has not been doing well was enough for me. My idea of cash reserves moved up 2X after that one and I rode out 8 months of no decent work.
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On Wed, 19 May 2010 18:45:52 -0400, Wes

Wes,
I have an Armstrong piston-type BXA that I'm not attached to if you don't have your heart set on a wedge type post. It seems to be a cut above the imports. I compared it to an Aloris on my 10EE before I sold it and didn't notice any real difference. The guy who bought the lathe wanted the Aloris BXA, so that's gone.
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I have my heart set on a wedge. The design of a wedge looks more secure to me.
A screw driving a wedge. I like the looks of that.
My next buy is going to be a new computer in the near future since I'm sure the next upgrade to Alibre isn't going to run on my w2k box. I upgraded my license so I have motion now. Kinda slow on my current machine.
I am figuring the tool post to be a end of year purchase unless I work a lot of OT which I try not to.
You had a 10EE and sold it? What did you replace it with? The guy I bought my Clausing from was really into Monarch lathes. Seriously nice lathes.
Wes
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On Thu, 20 May 2010 17:52:33 -0400, Wes

I'm in the same boat. The switch from Inventor to Solidworks has put a strain on this box.

A Taiwanese Feeler HLVH clone.
http://www.suscom-maine.net/~nsimmons/news/Feeler05.JPG
Not long after I finished fixing up the 10EE the Feeler fell into my lap. They were too close in capability to give up the space for both. I'd love to have a big Monarch, American Pacemaker, or Okuma, but there's just no room.
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You must be doing large assemblies. At work we have Solidworks 2007 and it seems to work okay on limited platforms. I don't do much with it other than look at models of machines I work on. The company runs some software called smart team which seems to limit how quick we upgrade our solidworks software.

Definitely looks Hardinge like. Is that electric feed? Can you thread with it?

I'd love to have a lot of things. Like a big house and a Cessna 172 in the back yard hanger facing my private air strip. A BXA wedge type tool post is far more likely, maybe even an Aloris. :)
Wes
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On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:51:42 -0400, Wes

It's the delays in loading commands, opening dialogs, etc., more than the time it takes to update big assy's that's annoying me. Inventor was very snappy on this machine. I get the feeling that SW has lot more going on in the background.

It's a very faithful copy. The only apparent difference is that the fasteners are metric. Threading is the same auto-reverse arrangement as an HLVH.

But the frustrating thing is there are nice big lathes available for less than what I got for the 10EE, if only I had the space. If there were similar bargains around on saltwater farms I'd have one of them instead. <g>
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What is the difference between Inventor and Mechanical Desktop? I believe both come from Autodesk?
I'm fighting with a step file from MD2009 that shows features about 25.4x too small. I've run the file though Alibre, SW 2007 and a trial version of CoCreate.
Wes
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:29:52 -0400, Wes

Mechanical Desktop is a kluge built on top of Autocad, Inventor was built from the ground up as a 3D modeler. Autocad doesn't keep track of units like most other CAD programs, and it seems likely that's the root of your problem. Is there perhaps a default unit of length setting in Alibre that, lacking specific units in the Desktop export, is importing one unit of length as one mm rather than one inch?
What sort of file are you trying to import? (.dwg, .sat, .step, .iges, etc.) Do you have Desktop available?
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It is a step file. Both Solidworks 2007 (coompany) and my licensed copy of Alibre Expert has the same issue.
If I force units in Alibre the design explodes as in all the details are separated by about 25.4x.
We don't have a seat of inventor in the plant.
I put in a request to the design firm that built the cell to provide me with proper data. I *think* we are on good terms though they lost their *ss on this project.
Wes
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:57:26 -0400, Wes

If there are no confidentiality issues I'd be willing to try opening the file with Inventor 2009 and SW 2010. I do have Desktop as well, but not installed.

They (we) always say that. I'm in the middle of losing my ass 7 days a week for the next six weeks so I don't have too work to hard for the rest of the summer. <g>
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Sadly, there is. I remember signing a bunch of papers saying keep our proprietary info to yourself and your creative thoughts are ours even though we didn't hire you to think any further than fixing a machine.
I do thank you for the very kind offer.

Good for you but I'm pretty sure the automation firm did lose their butt on this one. They were way late with a penalty clause. Since they do a lot of business with other facilites in the corporate umbrella, they just had to suck it up a bit.
Wes
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    Hmm ... I've got the BXA sized Phase-II which I retired in favor of the Dorian. There was really nothing wrong with it, so if you are interested, we could perhaps work out something.
    Where are you located? I'm in Northern VA just a bit outside the Washington DC Beltway.

    That hurts.
    I'm retired (as is my wife), with the effective value of our retirements decreasing every year (of course).
    Good luck,         DoN.
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Wes -
Remember the A to BXA is height and sqare size. Minimum center might be an issue.
Martin - owner of an Aloris AXA set.
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my 12 inch Logan powermatic is right on the border of where the A size should be replaced by the B size - sometimes I regret changing from the A to B sized tool post, particularly when I have to let the holder drop down below the compound to get the tool low enough. - this happens primarily with the parting tool, when I have to cut over about 3/4 inch deep
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