issues with v14

Can anybody help me with some issues with V14. I know it is an older version but it's what I have and will probable do all I need for now if I could just
get some things working correctly.
issues: 1) when I create a drawing from a viewport (lets say I have two viewports in paper space) and when I draw on one of the viewports, I get the identical drawing in the second as I would expect.....however I also get the drawing on the screen as if I'm in tile mode....how do I get the tile mode drawing to not show up on my screen (and the printed page).
2) when I use a paper space pre formatted (supplied by autocad) page ...ie ANSI A or B ......that should fill an 8 1/2 X 11 page on my printer.......well the problem is that when I do a print preview the whole page borders and all (everything is there) is shown on my preview as very tiny, as in 1" X 2" in a small area of the page and that is exactly how it prints; I hope that makes sense. So how do I set things up so that the page that is supposed to print at full size (8 1/2 X 11) actually does print full size. I have done it before but somehow things got screwed up and now I don't know how to fix it. A little help would be great.
Thanks Mike
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sounds like you have more viewports over viewports. erase all in PS & create 2 new ones

make sure the scale is checked "fit to page"
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I tried that with no success.....even created a new drawing and the first and only thing that I did was start ANSI A page then created 2 viewports and when I selected one of them and drew a circle it ploted in the other as well as over top of both viewports.....?????? What the heck is going on?

Did that......makes no difference.....in fact I think the drawing got smaller on the page it printed on by about 1/2. Any other ideas? I'v been trying to resolve this for a couple of days....have read everything I can about PS...VP's and plotting and can't seem to resolve it.
Thanks for all your help
Mike
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I think the problem here is that we are struggling to understand you situation. A thorough explanation of what you are doing and what the results is required before we can help. I'm very familiar with r14, but don't understand your problem.
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I will try to better explain the situation.
when I open a drawing, a new drawing and chose the ANSI A template which should print out on an 8 1/2 X 11 page I get a paperspace that has the borders defined on my viewing screen into which I create viewports (it doesn't matter how many) and start to draw in model space, I get the circle, box, line that I draw in all view ports and I also get the geometric drawn objects on my screen as a whole just like as if I am in tile mode. If I stay in paperspace of course I only get the object that I draw where I place it as would be expected. I don't however expect that when I'm in model mode and drawing in a particular viewport that I should get the same object in all viewports with the object also in the middle of the screen like I'm in tile mode. It just doesn't make sense. This has never done this in the past but I believe that somehow in tweaking the system once last week when I was trying to print something directly from tile mode to the printer I changed something and am not sure what and how it got changed or how to change it back. I sure hope this makes better sense. I really appreciate any help getting me back on track. I will stick with this problem until I get it resolved then we can move on to the problem with the paperspace representation of the drawing being so small when it prints out that you can't believe it, it's like 1/2" square.
Thanks
Mike

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mike wrote:

first things first. 14 was a long time back. the only way I can think of to have the drawings on your screen is to have 3 viewports, in paper space. it makes me think you have a viewport in a layer that is off or frozen. if so, you should be able to turn the layer on and erase the view port.
get past that and then maybe we can find out part II
but I don't speak chineese. so you may have trouble understanding me.
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you do know that you can have multiple viewports in modelspace right?
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"tiled" ones only, and they don't show when tilemode=0. See my other post.
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We *are* having semantic problems.

My mistake. I meant to say that *paperspace* objects only appear in *paperspace*. <hits forehead with palm>

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(you don't draw *in* tile mode. you draw in mspace or pspace. tilemode is merely a 'switch'.)

(tilemode can not be 'displayed'. pspace can, and mspace can.)
If I understand correctly, it sounds like you have overlapping floating viewports, but don't know it, because you are zoomed in too tight.
Try the following from the command line:
TILEMODE>>0 PSPACE>> ZOOM>>EXTENTS MSPACE>>
Now try the CONTROL-R key-combo a few times. As you do the cursor will appear trapped within one vport at a time, cycling through the ports. Is there a big one there you were unaware of? If so delete it, and your 'problem' will probably go with it.
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apparently (sorry that I don't explain things very well)!!

My poor forehead is sore form slapping myself!

Apparently I have been drawing in tilemode not sure what problems that is going to cause me in the future.

BUT....tilemode is in fact displayed......when I go to tilemode all the paperspace and modelspace lines/text goes away and all I have is my drawing to deal with (nothing but a blank black screen) so that is where I have been doing my drawing. Every/all my zoom, pan and drawing functions seem to work just fine.

BINGO!!!!!
THAT WAS EXACTLY MY PROBLEM!!!!
THANKS MichaelB!!!!

Now on to my other problem.........Plotting
When I have a drawing and I do a print preview the drawing is miniscule on the page.
What I am doing is loading the ANSI A template. If I do nothing and go to paperspace and then do a print preview the drawing is tiny on the page and prints exactly as it is previewed.......how do I get it to fill the page as it should?
Thanks Mike
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print window>>> select the window you want to plot & check the scale to fit page
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I'm glad your problem is resolved, but see below:

The fact that modelspace can be viewed with TILEMODE on or off causes some difficulty in talking about paperspace/modelspace issues. TILEMODE only determines whether paperspace can be viewed in your port. Its incorrect IMHO to think of it as a "place" you can "go". When it's on you can see only one "place": modelspace. Your viewports have to 'tile' within the main viewport (screen).
When it's off you can see paperspace, and *if* you have floating viewports turned on, you can see some or all of modelspace within the ports. The ports *don't* have to tile, and the space between them is paperspace. It's tempting to say that when TILEMODE is off that "I'm *in* paperspace", but that ain't necessarily so. The "current space" can be either Paper or Model with TILEMODE off, so TILEMODE by itself is not a place but rather determines a 'condition'. Your UCSICON can tell you what space you are "in", as can the STATUS command.
While annoying to many, I think that a good dose of careful pedantry when remotely discussing CAD avoids a lot of frustrating confusion, and I highly recommend it. You can take it too far of course, but that isn't the usual problem. Most of the confusion comes from imprecision.
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MichaelB Thanks again for your help.
I still don't fully understand why I can't or shouldn't draw in Tilemode. I realize that I only see the object that I am drawing and am not sure that I actually need to see two or more viewports at the same time (usually). Drawing in tilemode for me gets rid of everything except the object that I am drawing on (no borders to look at and distract me or other drawing views and the plus for me is that the object is filling the full screen). I have to admit that I have no formal training in AutoCAD and really need to be educated as to why I should be doing my drawings in modelmode using viewports. The way that I understand it is that tilemode is where the object it in reality, modelmode is where you have viewports so that you can see your object in different views and paperspace is where you look at it so you can make it print on the page exactly as you want it orientated. I think that maybe, if you would like, we could continue the discussion off the newsgroup so as not to clutter the newsgroup with such trivial discussions of issues that really don't concern anybody else except me. If so we can continue via email.
Thanks Mike
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Go back and re-read the previous responses. There is no such thing as "drawing in tilemode." TILEMODE is a setting, that places you either in Model Space (TILEMODE = 1) or Paper Space (TILEMODE = 0). You can draw either in Model Space, or Paper Space, but Model Space is intended for the bulk of your work (i.e., your CAD "Model" of your project), while Paper Space is intended only for objects that will appear on your printed output (the "Paper"); this, of course, includes floating VIEWPORTS, which are analogous to "ports" through which you are able to "view" your Model.
If that concept still escapes you, then perhaps it's time to find something else to do with your time. ___

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Oh, and I should add, when you're discussing topics like AutoCAD you need to act as if you know a little of the correct jargon. Many of the terms you use ("modelmode" for example) have no meaning, and the way you use them just underscores our growing opinion that you don't understand even the most basic concepts. This makes it extremely difficult for anyone to help you with your difficulties. ___

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Thanks Paul I am getting there. I understand now that I am drawing in Model Space but only using one viewport (my screen). Please excuse my ignorance....I am indeed unskilled in AutoCAD. I have lots of time (retired) and am trying to draw some preliminary drawings of what I want for a house to retire in. I am reading, playing and asking questions in hopes that this will become easier as I progress and get me where I want. What I hope to accomplish is to have 2D working drawings using multiple layers that can be placed in the hands of a competent draftsman (AutoCAD) designer so that he/she has a good working drawing of exactly what it is that I want. I don't think I want to mess too much with paperspace as I only have a DeskJet printer and cannot plot to architectural size of paper. Although I would like to be able to print things on my printer in paperspace and then erase paperspace and create a new paperspace that shows/plots to architectural paper for submittal to building inspectors to attain permits to build said building. Again I plead much ignorance and no training, but please bear with me as I attempt to learn.
Thanks
Mike

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you don't need to erase paperspace, you can copy the titleblock & floating viewports as many times as you like
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See my previous post.
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I use R14. Perhaps you could send me the drawing for a look-see?
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