Copper recovery rates

Jan 12, 2007 26 Replies

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I used it when I was closing the doors on my refining business, to clean up accumulated plated pins (wire wrap components). I processed something like

150 pounds of clean pins and strips. As you alluded, it works fairly well, particularly when there's a nickel barrier. Given an opportunity, I'd never use it if I had the option to strip with sulfuric acid, though. That process is fast and clean, and certainly less hazardous than cyanide, although hardly totally safe. You tend to run blind with the cyanide stripper.

The thing you need to watch is--- if it starts attacking copper, if it's precipitating gold in the process. You'd never now, it doesn't look like gold, it's just dark brown or black crud. It gets tossed, and you wonder what happened to your gold.

If you don't know, our own government was (is?) involved in recovering gold from plated items back in the '75, in New Mexico. They were using the sulfuric process at the time. I was flown there by a client, who made arrangements for me to inspect their stripping cell in order to duplicate it for him. The trip was a grand success, and I built two stripping cells. This was in the transition period, where I was still running my commercial shop, but refining on the side for grins. I was shocked to hear that the government had recovered what I recall was something like 35,000 ounces of gold the previous year. Old microwave stuff was very heavily plated. Some of it yields as high as 3% gold, which boggles the mind by today's standards. I used to purchase wire wrap connectors and modify them for a defense contract customer. The pins were plated with less than .0001" gold, very unlike the stuff in question.

The screwing I got when I sold my platinum two years ago is hard to believe. I recalled the material from one source when they tried to convince me that it was down around 70%------the second refiner started off much better, but still got to me over the long haul. They have you over a barrel with the platinum group----there's a huge demand, but a very closed market. If you're not on the inside, you can figure you're going to get screwed. I wasn't, and I was. :-(

I have other war stories-equally as bad. Large refiners have no interest in dealing with the common man, and make him sorry if he insists.

Harold

Power circuit breaker contacts are always a silver tungsten alloy for erosion and welding resistance. Fine silver would never last in service.

Randy

Fine silver is suitable for low power DC circuits only, IIRC. The various alloys are needed to handle mechanical battering, erosion resistance, resistance to welding, vaporization resistance, etc. found in switchgear and motor control equipment. The technology is well understood and has been for many years since it was one of the first problems facing electrical equipment makers in the early 20th century.

Randy

Back when we made them, vacuum contactors had molybdenum contacts. Apparently it has a low vapour pressure. That was in the days when we still had a manufacturing industry in the UK :-(

Mark Rand RTFM

Well, I have several pounds of the TechniStrip-Au, and have gotten to where I trust what it is doing. I have burned EVERYTHING out, after much of the water evaporates. I did get almost all the gold to precipitate out in the first precipitation, once I got hold of the Zinc flour. (We discussed this a year or so ago, and you directed me to some of these tricks.) There's no doubt where the gold is, you just mash that mud with a lab spatula and metallic gold appears! That is as close to magic as I've seen in quite a while!

Much of the gold scrap I have is VERY old, some of it from vacuum tube gear from the late 50's and the early transistor gear from the 60's. The gold there is a LOT heavier than what was used even by the 70's. I also have a modest pile of boards made using gold resist, where the entire circuit traces are gold-plated, they used the gold as the etching resist. There, it is not so much the thickness of the gold, but that it covers the entire board.

Anyway, I'm building some processing gear like miniature drum rollers to agitate the scrap in the solution, and will be doing another batch soon. I need to reduce this big pile of scrap, it is about 10 cu ft of stuff, some of it pretty dense like just boxes of ckt board fingers.

Thanks again, Harold!

Jon

It would be pretty hard to lose values with the process you're using. The only place you could possibly improve (if at all) would be to melt the entire lot once collected and fuse it with litharge, then cupel it (the same process as a fire assay, but much larger in volume). That's not for the feint of heart, particularly without a cupel furnace. Besides, it's pretty well frowned upon these days, putting all that lead in the atmosphere.

Welcome! Talking about it brings back some pretty fond memories.

Harold

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