How Would You Have Handled This One?

Oct 03, 2006 46 Replies

Sort of long, so don't read if you haven't the time...Nothing earth shattering here.



Don't you love those "five minute jobs" that end up taking well over an hour?



While driving home with SWMBO from a pleasant lunch out I stepped on the brake pedal in our 2004 Lincoln and was blasted by an unpleasant beep and a message popping up above the odometer display reading "Lamp Out".



I thought to myself, "Great, if you're so damn clever, why aren't you smart enough to tell me which of the gadzillion bulbs in the stupid car burned out?"



I figured since the alarm sounded just when I hit the brakes, it was likely a brake lamp bulb, and confirmed that when we got home by having my life mate get behind the wheel and tap the brakes with me looking.



It was a beautiful sunny afternoon, so I said, "I'll be up in about five minutes hon, I've just got to stick in a new bulb."



After removing a couple of fasteners and peeling back the carpeting in the trunk, I got to where I could reach three nuts on the studs holding the left tailight assembly in place and grabbed an 11mm deep socket and handle so I could spin them them off and pull assembly off to reach the bulb sockets. The first two nuts came off fine, but the third one just turned, but didn't back out, and it of course had to be the most inaccessable one of the trio, sunk in a recess in the sheet metal.



a little fooling around with an end wrench showed that the stud on the lamp housing was staying fixed, but the nut just turned around it. Clearly the sod who'd put that part of the car together must have tightened that nut until it stripped the stud and now the nut was just rotating around the threadless area.



Another five minutes or so was wasted with a small pair of Vise Grips clamped on the nut, twisting it CCW while pulling as hard as I could outwards, trying to get it to pick up the threads on the 5/8" or so of stud extending beyond it. That didn't work.



I couldn't bring myself to use brute force and crowbar the lamp housing loose, 'cause with my luck it would shatter and I'd be looking at paying an outragous price for a new one to help keep Ford out of bankcrupcy.



My nut cracker couldn't reach into the recess that nut was in, and it probably wouldn't have worked well 'cause the nut was one of those with a washer staked onto it.



I though of using a "flame wrench" on the stud and nut, hoping that the stud would get hot enough melt through the back of the plastic tailight housing and I could figure out how to rig a substitute later, but figured the way things were going, that was just too hackish to attempt.



I finally resorted to using a carbide burr in my Dremel and picking away at the side of the nut nut until I'd removed enough of it to wiggle it off the stud and free the tailight housing. That nut was no work of art by the time I got it off:



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Then, I found out that the failed bulb was one of those newer style "wedge base" kind, and my box full of auto bulbs were all bayonet types, necessitating an unplanned 15 minute round trip to the nearest parts shop to buy a couple of new bulbs. (I always buy two, 'cause with my luck if I buy one I'll fumble, drop it, and watch it break. Buying two guarantees I won't break one and is the proximate reason why I have that box full of brand new bayonet base bulbs which won't fit any future car I get.)



Nothing else went wrong, thank G-d. I put a 5/16" stack of washers under a new nut so it couldn't get down to the wiped out threads on the stud and, "Bob's your Uncle", the job was done.



So guys, did I miss any other ways which might have shortened the job without risking ruining the stud or the tailight housing?



Jeff


Much pain snipped...

No, it would have probably taken me 2 hours and at least one beer.

Jeff sez:

"> So guys, did I miss any other ways which might have shortened the job

Naw, Jeff ! You did it about right; except you missdescribed the factory slob that caused the problem when you said he was a "sod".

OAMO,

Bob Swinney

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote: (clip) (I always buy two, 'cause with my luck if I buy one I'll fumble, drop it, and watch it break. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I always buy two kuz that's the way Kragen packages them. I always thought they did that to increase sales. I didn't realize it was anti-fumble insurance. I guess I need to take back all the bad thoughts I have had over the years. I always put the spare in the glove compartment, and then forget it's there and go buy two more the next time.

Getting to this part w/o destroying something shows you are smarter than the the average bear.

The day after I buy a new car, I take the manual for it to the local parts place and buy a selection of bulbs that fit it and keep them in the trunk. Then when I need to replace one, I'm set assuming I put the right screw drivers in the trunk with the bulbs.

I wish my car would tell me a light is out. I hate having a LEO tell me.

Other than trade in the car on a new one, I think you did real good on this.

Wes S

[double packs]

It is always the same:

You need one and buy one:

  • the only one breaks
  • you need another one, the next day
  • you have overlooked that there is another $item that needs replacement

You need one and buy two:

  • you never need the second one
  • should you need the second one, you have lost/broken it.

You need one and buy 10

  • you regularly need them and are happy to have them on stock
  • you think you have the two more on stock that you need right now, but there is only one left

I tend to buy them in hundreds now ...

Nick

Jeff Wisnia wrote in news:g6CdnWqIGsFiML_YnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@conversent.net:

You did fine, except for the lack of a nerve pill to ease the frustration.

$ wtf OAMO OAMO: nothing appropriate

Jeff,

I know how you feel.

Some decades ago my wife and I installed new kitchen counters and faucets; the sinks were OK.

The faucet box stated, in effect, 1/2 hour installation, no tools required other than adjustable wrench and tube cutter.....

Now then, I'm a pretty handy guy (if I say so myself!) and going by the package description it should have take me all of 15 minutes.

2 1/2 hours later with half my hand tools and torches under the sink, the job was done.

Afterwards my wife made me my favourite dinner to soothe the savage breast. I suppose my cursing and swearing were required to make the job go smoother.

Now I look at every replacement / improvement job with a jaundiced eye and allow much more time than I think is required. Ditto for car repairs since I dislike taking the sleds to the shop.

Wolfgang

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

[snip tale of woe regarding an over-wrenched nut]

Lucky you are, it was only a tail-light fitting. A good friend of mine had such a wrecked nut on a steering-arm end. The vehicle was brand new: the nut simply fell off as he drove, & the steering promptly collapsed, leaving the 2 front wheels splayed in opposite directions. The RAC (AAA) mechanic identified the nut (found in the road) & picked the problem. By the grace of G*d, he was doing no speed at the time, coasting up to a red light, on a quiet back street. The vehicle stopped, with no drama.

5 minutes before, he was barrelling through a freeway interchange. Guess the consequences if it had happened then.

I meant what I said....And that's all I said...

But, rethinking that, you're probably correct, I'd always thought that term was just a denigrator like "SOB", but now I find:

Per Webster:

Main Entry: (3) sod Function: noun Etymology: short for sodomite chiefly British : BUGGER

Jeff

Sometimes the nut can be made to 'walk' up the damaged stud- spin the nut with an air wrench while gently prying/pulling the housing away from the sheetmetal. The nut will engage the threads again. Maybe.

-Carl

On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:38:35 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Jeff Wisnia quickly quoth:

(See previous thread on Shaving Yaks.)

You almost had it. Use a socket on an air or electric driver while pulling out. It will create a new thread then unscrew itself nicely. Use 3 washers on the stud when you put it back together...gently.

Right. Buy insurance so you won't need it, double up on plumbing and such supplies so you'll never need 'em. I call that the Murphy Warranty. If you don't buy extras, Murphy's yer uncle.

Warshers? Ya done good, dude.

Power nutdrivers are where it's at for removing those stubborn ones, Jeff. I can't tell you how many of those I removed with my butterfly

3/8" impact wrench back in the day at the body shop.

Several years ago second son was stopped for a burned out tail light and given a warning. Next night he was stopped again and instead of politely thanking the officer for the information, replied "I told Dad to fix that" - most expensive bulb he ever bought. Gerry :-)} London, Canada

My solution is to park facing a large window and use it as a mirror while checking out my front lights, then a 180 and check out my rear lights.

Obviously that policeman is a father. :)

Wes S

I was stopped one night by a deputy Sheriff who informed me that my driver's side tail light was out. I told the woman that i had just replaced the lamp that morning, and pointed to the package of bulbs and screwdriver in the seat. She started yelling at me, so I walked to the back of my truck to see that a light was out, on the passenger side. I pointed to it and said, Officer, that is not the driver's side, but it is out. She started yelling at me, telling me that she should arrest me, and that she didn't like my attitude because i was trying to make a fool out of her. I smiled and told her to do what she had to, but be ready for her day in court for false arrest, and incompetence. She jumped in her cruiser and peeled out. ;-)

I back up to my garage, and its obvious that the lights are working when they light up the white paint on the doors. I also carry a box of each type of bulb and a screwdriver in the toolbox. If I'm stopped, I'll limp out with my cane and tell them thanks, that it has failed since I checked them on Saturday, and change it on the spot.

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