Hi gang. Well it's fun to be using usenet again but it's no longer available from my ISP and no longer accessible via tin. Does anyone know how one goes about writing a kill file that will work on Google Groups? Thanks,
Suspect that even if you could figure out something with Google Groups
they would do something to break it right quick...
Have you looked into a free account with Eternal September yet?
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT), SteamboatEd Haas
Another option is
and Forte Agent.
Agent has a great kill file system ;)
$2.95 a month and (in my openion) WELL worth it.
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT), SteamboatEd Haas
You can use NNTP Usenet sites Eternal September
(http://www.eternal-september.org /) or Albasani
(http://news.albasani.net/index.html.en ) for free Usenet access.
I assume that you are using Unix or Linux - you mention "tin" - which
is still available in Linux-Mint repositories and I assume on other
Debian systems. There are also a number of other NNTP readers for
Linux available or one could run "Forte Agent", a normally Windows
application, in Linux via Wine
The problem with Eternal September *is* the idiots -- and the
fact that Eternal September will not kick off someone who abuses the
system, so a certain percentage of the news servers block *anything*
from Eternal September.
The name comes from the problems when every September, a new
batch of students in college gained access to usenet for the first time,
and did not bother to learn the netequette associated with that, so it
took a while to train them. Then, AOL startd offering usenet (gone now)
and this meant that there were always newbies who needed to be trained
joining AOL -- an eternal September -- to the point where they
outnumbered those who knew and observed Netequette.
Just be warned that you will limit the number of readers if you
use that news server.
I've been using Claws Mail for a number of years now on Linux for both
email and usenet. It is somewhat similar to Forte Agent in appearance.
When I first started using Claws its filtering was much more useful
than Agent. Provided you could work with regular expressions and didn't
mind tinkering with them. I have no idea how Agent has progressed since
I've been using Claws-Mail for a while as an e-mail program and I find
that although it is remarkably powerful and versatile it is a real
pain in the butt to get working the way that you want it to. Primarily
because of its versatility and the many plug-ins that it has.
And... the lack, or at least I can't find one, of a comprehensive help
manual covering all its possible functions.
The Spamassassin plugin is a perfect example. First you need to
download the plugin, then you need to add it to Claws in the
Configuration-Preferences section. Then you need to select plugins and
click on the block that says "Enable Spamassassin Plugin", and than go
to "/etc and locate the configuration file for Spamassassin, which
isn't in the /etc/spamassassin directory but in the /etc/default
directory and enable spamassassin.
Which all makes prefect sense if you know how to do it but is rather
confusing if you don't :-)
But I will say that once you get it figured out it is a very powerful
addition to Claws-Mail :-)
Yes, I have to agree with all that. It isn't for the faint of heart,
rather the nerdy tinkering type :)
I do my own filtering via keywords, addresses... using regular
expressions. Pretty much went to a positive list now. If you aren't on
it, you get moved to the spam folder...
I'm on the mailing-list, so I see a lot of that kind of stuff asked
about. Being patient and following the mail-list is about the only way
to figure out things like that. See:
Thanks for the address. I like the versatility of Claws-Mail (If I can
only get it working :-)
And, as you say, I pretty much use a filter which deletes messages
from "X, Y and Z" and then spamassassin has a shot at what is left.
Sort of blunt instrument effect but does do a good job of getting rid
of the "Mrs. Jones would like to meet you" and "I am your very own
banker and you have just inherited $100,000,000 please send your bank
account specifics..." messages. :-)
My newsreader, slrn, can do some of that -- but it does a
tremendous job of slowing down starting in a given newsgroup. This is
because the nntp servers offer a selected group of headers which can be
used in filters (as well as showing the list of articles, posters, and
subject lines for selection of *what* to read), and those go quite fast.
To filter on anything else (especially content) requires
downloading *all* of each article for filtering -- and then later
downloading *all* of each article which you select to read yet again.
The delay from the latter is not noticeable, as anything other than a
binary is unlikely to be large enough to take a significant time to
download -- but the first scan (all unread articles) if it is required
to download everything for all of the articles just to filter them, can
take quite a while.
In particular, I had to drop filtering on the "Newsgroups: "
header, because that forced it to download everything. That particular
header is not included in the summary of headers offered by the news
For fairly quite nesgroups, there were not enough to be a
problem, and back when I ran my own news server, everything was already
on a local system, so the downloading of full articles for filtering was
a lot quicker. (T1 feed vs even 10BaseT, let alone 100BaseT local
I find the old suggestion of killing anything crossposted to three
or more groups the most effective spam killer. In slrn's killfile
Score: =-9999 % crosspost >= 3 equals SPAM
Xref: .+:.+ .+:.+ .+:.+
I first started using this after AOL got access to the intrawebs
and have used it ever since. After that came killing certain
keywords or posters, but this one is still the most effective by
Re: providers, I've used both eternal-september and albasani and never
had any problem with them, and I've used Forte-Agent since version
1.something. The one thing, as you say, I find missing with Agent
filtering is the inability to filter on words contained in the message
body which is useful if you have filtered, say "joe-dokes" and no
longer see his posts, but you do still see any responses that are made
to his posts.
Hardly essential but it would be a nice addition.
No idea about that, but there are still sources of news which
you could access via tin or any other normal newsreader. I use slrn,
And I use newsguy as my source of news. Monthy or annual fees,
with savings if you go annual.
So -- get the news feed (from them or someone else) and keep using your
killfile in tin.
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 00:15:41 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
Why "pointless"? If I think that Joe Doe is a "no good" I just put him
in the kill file and never see him again. As for reciprocal blocking.
why do I care if Joe reads my posts, or not, as I never get to hear
I'm on the 25G plan. BTW, I just turned off my KU subscription and
found that I've been very, very spoiled by the Kindle. Hefting books
from the library is a bore. Pressing on the righthand page results in
nothing happening, etc. The first day I had my Kindle, I found myself
turning over the device looking for the next page. It happened
several times before I got used to the Next button. <g>
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