Re: An apology :-)

: 'Jerry' is, as you all know by now, an Internet Troll.

Err, says the poster with TWO usernames...

You are doing a great job yourself Dragon (or is it Chris?...), what I'm trying to do is to rid the group of all the idiots posting their clap-trap to this group (not to stop them posting, just stop them from posting 'answers'), want to troll, then f*ck off to alt.troll, want to post press cutting then RFD uk.media.newspapers.local-clippings (or some such name), want to advertise thinly relevant products then the uk.adverts.* groups will keep you from being called a spammer...

No, I want this group to go from strength to strength, unlike some on this group, mentioning no names Chris, perhaps these peoples credibility would be strengthen if they found a clue and got themselves proper nntp accounts - we all know how poor the Google AUP is, trolls can and do post anything via Google, those on decent nntp servers have to account for their actions should they fail foul of their nntp hosts AUP... Clue Chris, if you really do think that I'm trolling try complaining to my nntp host, but expect to be laughed at - again.

He can't, he is a 'Google groupie' (with two user names)...

: 2. Do not chastise others openly for feeding the troll (this only : gratifies the troll's ego), send email instead. : : It is sometimes fun to fire a well-aimed riposte at an inaccuracy : stated by a pedantic troll. This is a game anyone can play, but : don't get sucked into the game of goalpost-moving. Better to ignore : them, I think. :

Thanks Guy, perhaps I'll take you advice and just kill file Dragon, or is it Chris.....

So, if you disagree with someone, there are ways of expressing yourself that don't include calling people fuckwits, wankstains, liars, morons, trolls, and numerous other epithets you have applied to poeple. It's invariably your behaviour that gets up others' noses and inflames the "debate".

Why not just post your opinions in a reasoned and adult way, perhaps citing a few references to back you up, and let others decide, as groen adults, who they wish to believe?

MBQ

: > No, I want this group to go from strength to strength, : : So, if you disagree with someone, there are ways of : expressing yourself that don't include calling people : fuckwits, wankstains, liars, morons, trolls, and numerous : other epithets you have applied to poeple. It's invariably : your behaviour that gets up others' noses and inflames : the "debate".

But if the name fits why not use them, I rarely use them on 'first offenders', mostly on repeat offenders, and/or when others have used insults on me (what's good for the goose is also good for the gander...).

: Why not just post your opinions in a reasoned and adult : way, perhaps citing a few references to back you up, and : let others decide, as groen adults, who they wish to : believe?

Even when I do certain people still can't just accept that *they* are wrong (as others have noted, when I find that I'm wrong I tend to go rather quite on the subject - put it another way, I stop digging!). Anyway very few google groupies know anything, that is why they use google, because they are clueless, lets face it you don't need to be a Albert Einstein to find a nntp host/server or newsreader (if you can't install/use newsreader software then you probably should not be posting to Usenet via Google either). Probably only one percent of Google group users have a legitimate use/need for the posting via the service, the rest are either ignorant, spammers or trolls - and I'm not alone in thinking that,

So let them live in their blissful ignorance.

Quite, but if you actually apoligised for the abuse you've already hurled when proven wrong, instead of going off in a silent sulk, people might form a different opinion of you.

It's got nothing to do with legitimacy. Using GG is not against any laws.

Mostly one person's (now dead) opinion. Hardly a project, more a bigotted rant against people who choose to use different tools.

MBQ

: > Even when I do certain people still can't just : > accept that *they* are wrong : : So let them live in their blissful ignorance.

I don't care about *their* blissful ignorance, it's others who might go one to believe 'their' ignorance that worries me...

: > (as others have noted, when I find that I'm : > wrong I tend to go rather quite on the subject - : : Quite, but if you actually apoligised for the abuse : you've already hurled when proven wrong, instead : of going off in a silent sulk, people might form a : different opinion of you.

Why, how many offer apologise to me when I prove that they are wrong, as I said, at least I know when to stop digging - sorry but the same can not be said about Chris, you and others in this respect, if you (or anyone) want respect from me then you'll will have to show me respect first.

: > Google either). Probably only one percent of Google : > group users have a legitimate use/need for the posting : > via the service, the

: It's got nothing to do with legitimacy. Using GG is : not against any laws.

No, unfortunately, but it does give an indication as to the intelligence of the poster, if they can't be bothered to use a proper nntp server then are they intelligent to post anything intelligent?! Sorry but google groups is a proven posting 'method of choice' (due to the lax AUP) by trolls, spammers, and general no-hopers - do yourself a favour, stop associating with such losers...

: > rest are either ignorant, spammers or trolls - and : > I'm not alone in thinking that, : >

: Mostly one person's (now dead) opinion. Hardly a project, : more a bigotted rant against people who choose to use : different tools.

And that is another opinion from a biased Google groupie...

There has been a very recent discussion this very group about problems caused by the use of Google groups on the wider Usenet community. Web forums belong on the Web, text based groups belong on either Usenet or (such antiquities as) BBS boards.

I suppose Google groups has to be thanked for one thing though, most of the idiots who used to post HTML messages via their AOL accounts to Usenet now post plain-text via Google groups at least even if the content is still as irrelevant as before (no Kim, that comment is *not* directed at you, just a general observation as to the worth of the average AOLer) and Google seems to have made the 'quote previous text' option more prominent even if it does still corrupt the formatting.

come on chris lighten up you're better than that. If you dont like what someone says then just ignore the post. if they say something interesting and you want to then reply. That trains people towards debate.

Its like road rage there are never any winners in that game. Closer to topic, I used to commute from Nuneaton to Euston everyday followed by 15 mins on the fun loving northern line. One day was really ratty and tried to trip up the city gent type person that pushed in front of me to get onto the carraige - classily done of course, difficult to prove that is what I was doing ! Was horrified that I would stoop to such revenge tactics. Now I just smile and ignore it then carry on.

As Dr Who said in a recent episode "I know they have guns and they may shoot me, but I retain the moral high ground".

Cheers, Simon

: : As Dr Who said in a recent episode "I know they have guns and they may shoot : me, but I retain the moral high ground". :

Easy to say when you know that you'll just 'regenerate'!

"simon" wrote

Not if you fall over! ;-)

John.

There are almost 300 registered members on this group ..... but of that how many contribute on a regular basis ? This is repeated over many Google groups.

DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY ?

Not wishing to patronise but some of you may not have the faintest idea what some of the phrases used in this topic are about :-

NNTP accounts ? Network News Transfer Protocol is an application used mostly for reading & posting 'usernet' articles e.g. Google Groups. You are required to download an additional piece of software onto your PC. It is therefore PC ( desktop ) based not web bases e.g. Google. Some of these nntp accounts are 'free' to download and use others are paid for.

There are a number of advantages using a desktop reader account, one of which is speed.

Arguably one of the best web based readers is 'Google Reader'. It's not that Google Reader isn't fast, but its desktop counterparts are faster. I don't know about you but I have taken up the model railway hobby for two main reasons, one of which is to wind-down.

Google groupie ? As you will of guessed this IS patronising, similar to the comments made in PC vs. MAC arguments.

RSS ? Really Simple Syndication ...... a group of web based formats used to publish things like video's, news reports & music.

False e-mail address's ? You may have seen the warnings on Google Groups that your e-mail address will become visible to all. There are web applications / pages that allow you to create either temporary or permanent false e-mail address's. Good idea if you are using a 'dial up' connection as it cuts down on downloaded Spam or you wish to hide your identity !

Killfile ? Bit like the 'Block Sender' list in Outlook Express. Anyone who you don't want to read their posting you can put directly into the 'killfile' just like Spam Internet 'Trolls' normally don't use one as they need peoples posts to keep their arguments fuelled.

My FINAL comments on this matter :-

" ........ how many offer apologise to me when I prove (?) that they are wrong, as I said, at least I know when to stop digging - sorry but the same can not be said about Chris, you and others in this respect, if you (or anyone) want respect from me then you'll will have to show me respect first ........ "

Bit of a circular argument don't you think ?

" ......... but if the name fits why not use them, I rarely use them on 'first offenders', mostly on repeat offenders, and/or when others have used insults (?) on me ....... "

Who made them Chief of the Google Group police ?

Usenet groups have thread / posts that are off-topic, rude, and / or obnoxious. They may also be cross-posted to other groups as well. This behaviour is contrary to common practices, it wastes time / resources, and it is discouraged by recommendations contained in Internet RFC 1855. (IFC's are the 'Netiquette' rules of the Internet.) Generally these threads are started by or continued by a few people who only want to start, or can't avoid, an argument, they may be TROLLS, or at the very least they are acting like trolls. Ref.

I will leave you to make up you own minds about 'Jerry', me & my comments :-)

Chris aka Dragon Heart

It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog.

Pearls amongst swine... ;-)

cheers, Simon

In message , snipped-for-privacy@o2.co.uk writes

How can you tell how many people are subscribed to this group ?

Adrian

Group info !

Chris

It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog.

Actually NNTP is the means (protocol) that applications use to exchange messages - but thats just being pedantic.

Not sure if its your formatting or the app you are using to post, but could not see in that post which were your comments and which were posted by others.

If google groups doesnt perform decent formatting then perhaps you could add some yourself. I agree the means by which some people give you the info that there are problems with reading your mails are not the best but when we ask for no top posting (no dont mean you) and reasonable formatting its not just so we can appear superior its to make it easier to debate.

CHeers, Simon

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from snipped-for-privacy@o2.co.uk contains these words:

From where? Does it include *all* members, or just those who subscribe via goooglegroups? Just interested, you understand.

: : How can you tell how many people are subscribed to this group ? :

He can't, at best all he can tell is how many people have posted to this Usenet group, and depending on how Google indexes the users one could have two or more people counted as one or people counted twice or more if they have changed username or senders address.

Never mind the fact that the idiot doesn't even understand that Google is a web *to* Usenet interface....

But its a newsnet group not a Google one, so there could be thousands of readers. There is no membership as such.

Paul

That only tells you how many people are subscribed to it via Google Groups. It tells you nothing at all how many people read it via NNTP, or any other web interface, or even how many people read it via GG without being subscribed.

Mark

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I have NO problem with that Simon, making life easier is what PC's and the web are all about. It's just the elitist attitude of some people that get me and others. The web should be for anyone, no mater what their level of expertise, that's why Google Groups is so popular.

Newgroup feeds are ideal for dealing with information quickly and efficiently, not everyone actually needs them but that is individual choice.

Thanks for your comments.

Chris

It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of fight in the dog.