Hi, I'm new here. I inherited some silver coins (quite a few). The value as
collector's coins is less than the value of the silver content in them.
Thought I might could make jewelry with them but have no idea what problems
might be in melting them down for metal. Anyone have any experience with
this?
Thanks in advance.
RS
About the same level of surprise value for that as finding rust on bare
iron at the seashore. If it isn't sealed in something airtight, and it's
made of (other than sterling) silver, it's going to turn black. Just
because of what it is.
American coin silver is 10% copper. There is no problem with melting it
down other than silver's tendency to absorb oxygen from the atmosphere while
molten. On cooling it gives up the oxygen which then may cause porosity in
the silver. It makes jewelry that is wear resistant, but will tarnish more
readily than
sterling silver.
Randy
The problem with silver absorbing oxygen is dealt with when copper as added
to silver, so that issue is of no consequence. Coin silver melts much
better than pure silver. Use a reducing flame when melting to avoid burning
the copper, which can lead to porosity. (American) coin silver is alloyed
@ 10% copper, 90% silver as has already been stated. Sterling silver is
92-1/2% silver, 7-12% copper. Considering the alloying is accomplished by
weight, not volume, and copper is considerably lighter than silver, there is
a much larger volume of copper in coin than in sterling silver, but it
generally does not present a problem. Those that have coin turn color on
their hand would likely also have the same problem with sterling.
There is nothing wrong with using coin for jewelry, it's been done through
the ages. Just don't mark or otherwise represent is as sterling. In order
to do that legally, you'd have to raise the silver content, and that takes a
lot of pure silver.
Harold
Silver is not that much denser than copper. The specific gravities are:
Copper - 8.93
Silver - 10.49
Given the above, a 90/10 ratio by weight of silver/copper would be
a 88.45/11.55 ratio by volume of silver/copper.
To raise a given amount of coin silver to a 92.5%/7.5% ratio by weight, add
1/3 by weight of pure silver to the melt. eg melt 3 oz of coins and 1 oz of
silver will raise the ratio to 92.5%/7.5%
Their value as coins will rise with time. Their value as a poor silver ally
will not. Put them in a box in the attic and leave them to the kids in your
will!
Mark Rand
RTFM
I used to make lots of jewlery from coin silver back in he 70's. Used many,
many silver pesos back when each peso were 8 to the dollar. I'd melt them down
using borax as a cover flux and a bare carbon arc gouging rod as a stirrer. I'd
then pour the silver into cast iron muffin pans. When it cooled enough to be
good and solid, I'q quench in dilute sulfuric acid/water pickle bath. The
pickle bath would remove the borax and any copper that was on the surface. Them
were the good ol days!
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That's correct. I guess what I was trying to say is that it's rather
deceiving when you have coin silver and want to elevate it to sterling (only
a 2.5% increase), it takes a considerable amount of silver (1/3 of the
beginning weight, or 33-1/3%) to raise the content to legal specification.
Where weights versus volume really come into play is when alloying 10k
yellow gold. By volume, gold is an almost insignificant portion of the
alloy.
Harold
I'd question that assumption - on the basis of eBay sales.
However, you can buy $1000 face value bags for a little over melt:
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This place has them:
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So older US coins are indeed a good source of silver - for silver's sake.
Main problem is oxidation during the melt. Cover them in a nice thick layer of
borax, and don't mess around when the stuff is hot.
Given that, its a breeze to melt.
Throw in a few .999 silver rounds (less than $7/oz) to raise the alloy closer to
sterling - but don't fuss about it. Its not that important.
Coin silver is a great source of silver metal. That's the reason I got into
numismatics in the first place. Just make sure you don't melt that
one-in-a-thousand
super-rare key date coin.
I get a yellow (copper-rich) patina on my castings when I cast coin silver, but
it
polishes out easily. If you are cutting or machining it after casting, then no
worries. Get it hot enough. Freezing in the sprues can be a problem if you're
impatient. Can be gluggy when molten - stubborn to pour. Casting under gravity
(alone) can be difficult. Centifugal or vacuum is generally preferred, but plain
gravity can be used to make billets (ingots) or less complex shapes. I like to
cast
(under gravity) a billet shape, then machine it to final specs.
Black residues are no more troublesome than with sterling. Easily removed.
Understand you'll waste a bit in crucible residue, sprues, flash, burn-off,
machining
swarf etc.
But - hey - silver is cheap.
Go for it.
--
Jeff R.
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