motor on bicycle

I've done exactly this project with a motor from a weed whacker... but I don't remember the horsepower (it was probably less than 5 though)

The basic problem is gas engines like high rpm to provide high torque. In practice once I got going about 25kph, I could get cruising speed to happen, and accelerate a little as well)

My clutch was a brake cable attached where one brake normally would go, my transmission was a rollerblade wheel attached directly to the shaft of the motor. The size of the wheel is critical in the distribution of power to your bike (it acts as a gear, but doesn't always start with a useable ratio, I had to take a little material off of one I used).

I physically pressed the rollerblade wheel using my "clutch" into the rear tire by having the motor slide at one contact point(nearer the shaft) on the motor mount, and fixed (but freely rotateable) at it's other mount point (farthest the shaft). Using this method, I used the rotating rear tire to start the motor (no pull cord for me).

For safety reasons, I included an electric kill switch located at one handlebar.

Eventually I had to retire the contraption. The vibrations shook the bike apart eventually causing faliure of many things (it was a drum brake bike, and the drum was shaken apart). You could prevent this, but the engineering time would be significant.

My top speed was over 75kph downhill (I often passed regular vehicles, and that does get one some rather surprised looks), and this was clearly a dangerous speed (I wore no helmet).

The gas was excessively cheap, and your 18 mile commute would have cost pennies.

I often rode it with the engine off, and the weight was not too much trouble.

Having done all that (and I encourage you to give it a shot, and let us know how it goes), I would highly recommend however that you do an electronic conversion instead.

Electric motors like to give you high torque at low rpm (which a lot of biking demands), and doesn't totally piss out at higher rpm. The vibrations would be less, hence less repair worries, but the final weight will be much higher due to batteries.

My drawing board stage project is for an electric bike with an enclosure so I can drive in the rain, and have better aerodynamics, and it will be a recumbent... If I only get the time. My commute is slightly over a marathon.

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mike mcwilliams
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So untrue. I did this project, and it cost me a total of 70$ canadian...

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mike mcwilliams

I am folowing this thread (sort of) what on earth is "DHMO" ?

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samc

If you go back to the start, you will find this link:

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Nick

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Nick Müller

thanks

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samc

John, Hate to bring up the normal response, but...

What gauge wire would that need to be for the extension?

VFD would be nice, but lose about 1/3 of the HP on the motor. RPC might be a better choice.

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Chris

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The obvious response is:

How long does the extension cord need to be? :-) I figure just over 15.5 A at a full 5 HP with a 240V line. You probably want no more than a 10V loss over the length of the extension cord, so you want less than 0.041 Ohms. So -- 4-0 wire would be pretty close at 1000 feet total length (that is 500 feet away from the outlet).

0000 1000' total or 500' loop #8 66' total or 33' loop #6 104' total, or 52' loop #16 10.3' total or 5.2' loop

If you insist on having 5 HP, you had probably better plan to stick pretty close to home. :-)

Oh yes -- 4-0 (0000) is 640.5 pounds/1000 feet. :-)

Now -- you can reduce the current, and thus increase the distance or reduce the gauge by stepping the voltage up high and reducing it with a transformer on the bike -- but that would add enough weight to neutralize the benefits. (Not to mention the extra cost of high-voltage insulation on your extension cord. :-)

Huh? How do you expect to lose 1/3 of the motor's horsepower with a VFD? With a so-called "static" phase converter (which in reality is a starting capacitor and the necessary switching to take it out once the motor is started), yes -- you would lose about 1/3 of the motor's horsepower rating.

Now -- you might want to over-rate the VFD a bit if you are going to be drawing full rating from it for long. But even a 7.5 HP VFD will weigh a lot less than the 5HP motor. I know, because I've got an old one on my shop wall.

Enjoy, DoN.

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DoN. Nichols

OK so since we are limited to 500Ft and a distance of 18miles I think I have a solution. Granted the option of using a higher transmission voltage cannot be used with this solution; neighbors do not have a high voltage lug.

What I am thinking is making friends with the neighbors. Granted not all would be willing, but you could win them over with "I am saving the environment". Better yet if the OP is in a liberal area as he will definitely find some suckers there.

So:

18 miles * 5280 feet = 95040 feet 95040 / 500 (length of extension) = 190.08 neighbors.

For the sake of simplicity I think it is safe to assume at least one down hill run and we can round the neighbors down to 190.

So 500 feet of cable and 190 kind neighbors allowing him to plug his bike in. This now brings up the problem of cable return (How does he get the cable back to plug it into the next house) . I would think some type of geared rig to compensate for the 640lbs of cable and associated friction could be rigged to the 5hp motor to coil the wire back up. Allowing him to plug into the next house.

Problem is if the OP lives in a rural area with no or few neighbors. Than I would suggest contacting the local power company. See if they would let you climb the pole and hookup. This would also allow the use of a higher voltage, thus a longer run. More info would be needed from the OP as to the actual supply voltage along the streets on his route.

OPPS Brain slip. I got static converters and VFDs confused. Good thing I am not designing this thing.

Tried looking up some rulings in the old NEC book, but cannot find any reference to powered bicycles at all. At least the insurance company cannot refuse ya if you get hurt on the thing.

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Chris

Of course, if he lives in a city with electric trolley buses then all of his problems disapear. More people could make use of this free and convenient overhead power source. 400 volts DC and enough current available for even the most outrageously overpowered electric bicycle.

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Roger_Nickel

LMAO.

Although very feasible. Could you imagine some nut driving around with a pole on his bicycle to catch the power from the trolley lines? Better yet, no tires to wear as he would have to ride on the track as well.

Than again San Fran is full of nuts and trolleys. Wonder why we have not seen it.

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Chris

In most Canadian jurisdictions any powered bicycle that CAN move on it's own, without pedaling, is considered a moped - limited to 50cc engine displacement and, IIRC, 25MPH. Anything else (bigger, faster, or no pedals) is a motorcycle. Both need to be licenced. Both require a driver's licence to operate - a moped can be driven on an automotive licence.

If you can design it that it can ONLY move if you are pedaling, it becomes a motor assisted bicycle and MAY be allowed to run without a licence. Virtually the only way this has been done is with electric power.

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nospam.clare.nce

AH! But if you put the transformer (and wire) in a TRAILER then the bicycle will stay the same weight!!1 In fact, running with that logic, if the cyclist himself were to be seated in the trailer then the system would be even MORE efficient!!!!

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Artemia Salina

interesting

Well your about 100 years to late. The early motorcycles were all bicycles with added gas engines. As for current ones. the Whizzer bikes are still available as is an add on engine for bikes that uses a 2 stroke and a contact wheel to drive a standard bike. Top speed is around 20 mph.

As for a 5 HP, you could get a top speed around 60 without much work. BUT then it would be a motorcycle in most states.

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Steve W.

Of course! But the robotic controls and the associated processing equipment would surely outweigh the person pedaling the bike.

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Chris

NO NO NO!! You attach airfoils to the robotics to provide LIFT!!

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Artemia Salina

We really need to do something about this, have you spoken with your neighbors? If you haven't, please do.. it takes all of us to make the world a better place.

John

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JohnM

About as fast as five horses.

If its a ten-speed bike then each speed will let you faster by half of a horse, so that in first gear you can go as fast as half of a horse, second gear will be like one whole horse, third gear you can go as fast as one and one half horses, etc.

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Artemia Salina

But with 500 feet extension, you can go a distance of 1000 feet.

Nick

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Nick Müller

Oh I think if you had 500 feet you could go a lot farther than that. He probably wouldn't even need the bicycle then.

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Artemia Salina

In cicles? Yes. :-)

Nick

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Nick Müller

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