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Just passing this along in case anyone in the Oakland, CA area needs something heavy to bring home.

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ooooo..20" shaper!

Gunner

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons"

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Gunner

older machine shop tools Free! (oakland downtown)

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free Cinncinati horiz. mill w/verticle head, some tooling. free sundstrand lathe 22x 48 runs change gear type no change gears. free radial arm drill LARGE. youll need your own fork lift for these babys. Cinncinati 20 inch shaper. in excellent shape. Hurry all will go for scrap in 30 days.

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ShakasCaregiver

Gunner,

If you decide to come take a look at this stuff, let me know.

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Peter Grey

There was a free Cincinnati 20" shaper up here a coupla years back too. That one did go for scrap. The guy wouldn't let the vise go unless you took the whole damn machine. He wound up tossing the vise into the scrap heap too. But that had to be six tons of iron .. sigh.

Grant

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Grant Erwin

Id love to have a Cincy 20", but Ive got absolutly no way to get 6,000 pounds of beautifuly machined and engineered, machine tool, home in the Central Valley. I can get it unloaded here..but getting it here is the killer. Sigh...

damnit.

Gunner

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons"

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Gunner

Last week, NBC News reporters apparently tried and failed to penetrate security at a general aviation airport. They were planning on writing a story about how easy it would be to hijack a helicopter and attack America with it. Instead, they ended up being hauled away in steel (metal contest) bracelets and spending at least a short time behind bars (more metal content) where the police were very interested in the reporter's box cutters (even more metal content) and other weapons they apparently intended to take aboard a rented chopper.

Naturally, NBC ran the story anyhow

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and did not have the integrity to mention the totally relevant fact that they had tried to show how "easy" it would be to hijack a helicopter and had embarrassingly failed. Polite words fail me.

Vaughn

The following is from the AOPA website

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: The story begins as a man telephones an FBO at St. Louis Downtown Airport (CPS), not far from the Gateway Arch, and asks about chartering a helicopter. About an hour later, two men of Middle Eastern appearance walk into the FBO, pull out cash to pay for the flight, and present driver's licenses from two different states as ID. Office staff notices their car is registered in a third state. "Things just didn't smell right," said St. Louis Downtown Airport Director Bob McDaniel, "so the mechanic took them into the hangar to see the aircraft, while the office person called the FBI and local police." (Airport Watch guidance says to call local police or the FBI if you suspect an immediate threat to life or property.)

The helicopter was blocked by other aircraft, and the mechanic used that as an excuse to stall the two suspects, who began unloading backpacks and odd-shaped luggage from their car.

Local police arrived shortly and hauled the suspects off to jail in handcuffs. Police discovered box cutters and other potential weapons hidden in the bags.

And now (with apologies to Paul Harvey), the rest of the story.

After a little time behind bars, the two "terrorists" confessed that they were NBC employees from New York. Their assignment: A story on how "easy" it was to get information and directions to a helicopter and then hijack it. St. Louis was their first attempt; the network reportedly planned similar tries to penetrate security at airports around the country.

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Vaughn

After hearing some of the DUMB and Dumber comments on the NBC stage of the Olympics shows me that the speaking faces knew little of Greek History or Greek anything

- their assistants, their handlers, their research staff, their management - Rather embarrassing to watch and even think these fools are being broadcast to some countries without reporters.

The intro of teams, the very impressive symbolism used and not seen.....

Where didn't these young people go to school ?

Martin

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Martin H. Eastburn

without reporters.

I tried to watch the bicycle races. After 15 minutes of watching, I had seen perhaps a total of perhaps two minutes of actual bicycle racing and knew nothing about who was winning, or even who was in the race. I shut off the TV in frustration. That will the end of my Olympics viewing for these games. It just gets worse and worse.

Vaughn

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Vaughn

without reporters.

You dont need to know anything about history as long as you have good self esteem. And pointing out to them just how butt ignorant they really are, is seen as being mean and hateful, not to mention politically incorrect.

Thank you NEA and liberal administrators.

Gunner

"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." - Ayn Rand, from "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons"

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Gunner

I think all those folks were edjukated by republicans.

Jim

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jim rozen

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner foisted Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:12:30 GMT on rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

without reporters.

See sig.

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pyotr filipivich

Indeed - the current adminstration has avoided the study of history, notably in Afghanistan. They've demonstrated legendary stupidity by ignoring all the lessons the British and Soviets had to offer, all of which are laid out in plain english in history books.

Are they 'intelligensia?' Don't know, don't care. How's that.

Jim

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jim rozen

without reporters.

Right, however, these are today's teachers of Greek information to our young and ourselves. These are people young people look to for information. Greek goddesses were in the opening show and just a da. If the feel good slipper fits, tough.

Yes the NEA, TEA, etcEA, Other liberal based unions and associations are apart of the issue. As a former professor, I was required to be a member and pay dues and support people I didn't want to support. I just had to double my efforts and know the best I could do is null myself.

Martin

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Martin H. Eastburn

Thats what you get for thinking.

Gunner

"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann

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Gunner

Seems the Brits and Russians got their asses handed to them. And how does this apply to the US?

Which reminds me..what is the US inventory control number for brightly colored childrens toys that contain an antipersonel device? Need the Russian one?

"When you're wounded and left, On Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out, To cut up your remains, Just roll on your rifle, And blow out your brains, And go to your Gawd, Like a soldier."

Rudyard Kipling (a souvenir of the Anglo-Afghan wars)

Gunner

"In my humble opinion, the petty carping levied against Bush by the Democrats proves again, it is better to have your eye plucked out by an eagle than to be nibbled to death by ducks." - Norman Liebmann

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Gunner

It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what jim rozen foisted 16 Aug 2004 17:16:19 -0700 on rec.crafts.metalworking , viz:

And those lessons were?

Yes, it is true that a British Army, lead by an incompetent, was wiped out almost to the last man. But the two armies which went back to sort things out, kicked but, took names and demolished the maddi. And the Russians were trying to prop up an "un-Afghani" government through brute force. There is something about mountain peoples which make them ornery and cantankerous, ill disposed towards outsiders and government agents.

So the Americans, having these examples, did something different. Worked with the locals, to toss out another un-Afghani government, and were successful. Funny that.

Like I said, most of the "intelligentsia" (those who make their living by being "vun of de schmart guyz") have little historic knowledge, just the proper line on the subject: e.g., Afghanistan is an ungovernable quagmire which both the British and Russians were unable to conquer, and the US is foolish to engage. That's not the whole of the history of Afghanistan, but it serves their purposes.

tschus pyotr

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pyotr filipivich

Sorry but I'm confused. The Soviets deposed the monarchy in 1979 and installed a group of communist Afghanis friendly to them that was not liked by those outside of Kabul. They sent a huge army and spent 10 years and

15000 lives in a failed effort to keep that government in power. The US sent in a bunch of Special Forces, some regular forces and aircraft and installed a group of Afghanis friendly to them that IS liked by most of those outside of Kabul in a military effort that took about 2 months.

Can you send me the title of the history books you are reading cause I'd love to see them.

Steve.

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SteveF

Because we're repeating the same errors they did, there.

Jim

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jim rozen

You get what you pay for. The locals are not 'friendly' they only like the color of our money - which is what 'installing' means. We paid them to like us, while we're watching. Once our backs are turned, it's business as usual.

Sure our government in Kabul is in control - of the region immediately around the palace. Don't kid yourself, the situation in that country is pretty much the same as it's always been. One cannot control the country (fractionated as it is) by simply sticking your puppet in the palace.

That's the trouble with the US, they dabble in another country for two months and then they say "War's over, we win, bye bye." It's going to take a lot more than a two month vacation to gain control in Afganistan, and we could start with securing the boarders the next time we come for a visit so the folks we're trying to nab can't simply stroll away.

Jim

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jim rozen

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