Ozone

ozone is really bad for a lot of plastics.

"Bill Alliston" wrote: (clip) If I let this run in the background in my shop to get rid of the smell from rancid oil etc. would it build to unsafe concentrations of ozone. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't think so. Ozone is O3, which is unstable. It breaks down into O2 and a free oxygen ion, which combines with the smelly stuff, or with another oxygen ion, to form O2. Ozone has a characteristic odor, which you can sometimes smell around sparking electric motors and such. If you start to notice that odor in your shop, turn off the ozonator and wait a while.

DAGS

larry

Don't run it for a long time. Ozone will eat up most plastics. Vinyl will turn brittle rather quickly.

Don't do it. Besides being really reactive with rubber and many plastics it will also react with the living tissue in your lungs. The extra oxygen atom combines real easy with all sorts of stuff and kills cells. This is why your pool has an ozonator. It is a good disinfectant. I wouldn't use it in your car again if you can help it because it will start to damage rubber items. Like door and window seals. It is a good deodorant, as you found out. It is used to deodorize houses after fires, dead refrigerators that leak meat juice, cat and dog pee, etc. But the oxide layer that stops the odors is thin and if disturbed will start to smell again. So the houses are deodorized and then painted to seal. ERS

Charles, Leo, Lawrence, Glenn and Eric

Thanks Guys

The ozonator was worth it's weight in gold for me as this was an 05 model car. At first I thought it was just the stinky evergreen tree hanging on the mirror but after the car was bought and paid for I realized that the odor was never going to come out on it's own.

The thing is that it works amazingly well and I just wanted to relay that to the group.

Now , I had done some reading and some places it says the 03 is a very safe disinfectant and other places where it says it is dangerous. In any case I will err on the side of safety.

Aga> >

Ozone is toxic on long exposure. An oxidizing agent like SO3. You might want to only use it periodically instead of facing consttant exposure in your shop. As to the car, wouldn't burning a pack of sulfur matches have done the job easier? MadDog

Does that remove smells or just cover them up?

I don't know! I honestly did not think anything would get rid of the smell. The Ozonator worked as if by magic and left no odor itself. Can't do much better then that.

I had forgotten the experiment for three days and when I opened the door the door panel fell squarely off and shattered on the driveway. When the fresh air hit the interior it crystallized with pretty fuss and all fell to the floor. While vacuuming the fluff out between the springs of where the passenger seat was the vacuum stuck to a cardboard cut out of a tree.

LOL, 'Honey, look I told you I'd find the source of that smell.'

How can I keep all the exposed metal from rusting?

Reminds me again of how I ruined the step mother's car by washing it with 50% ZEP. Dad said to clean it very good, he didn't say I couldn't take it down to the molecular level. ooops

Really shouldn't hurt it too much, spas survive it. I just hate 03 smell and would have been worried it would somehow sick in the car. I'd rather die from long term chlorine smell than ozone smell.

I hope I'm not remembering this wrong, but I believe I started hearing about a year ago that those "Ionic Breeze" air purifiers that Sharper Image and other shops and TV ads flog put out enough ozone to be considered by some a health hazard. Probably the same thing would apply to their competition's air ionizing "purifiers".

In the last few weeks I've noticed that the Ionic Breeze TV ads are touting the fact that they now have some sort of catalytic converter on them which, If I heard it correctly, turns the ozone back into oxygen.

Regarding your "blue bulb": Years ago some home laundry dryers had a UV "germicide bulb" in them which looked like an automotive tail lamp bulb and ran on low voltage. It had a filament in it and I think the glass was a type which would pass UV.

I bought one of those bulbs about 20 years ago from an appliance parts shop, mounted it inside a soup can shield with a doorbell transformer and dropping resistor tacked on and used it to clear those old UV eraseable EPROM static memory chips.

It looked sort of blueish inside when lit, the couple of times I risked one eye and peeked at it at arms length. :-)

Thanks for the mammaries,

Jeff

SO3 is an acid anhydride gas. It would function in this case as an oxidizing agent just as the ozone does. It's a whole lot easier to get and the 'acid` smell functions as a safety warning so you don't breath it in for too long. I believe the toxicity is higher than the ozone, (the gas goes into solution on the moist surfaces in your lungs, O3 produces hydrogen peroxide, SO3 - sulfuric acid), but the amount in question would be small and the exposure short.

MadDog

Chuckle! You mean like using Listerine mouthwash? That stinky stuff? Frankly, I'd rather put up with bad breath---or pine scent.

Harold

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:33:44 -0700, the blithe spirit "Harold and Susan Vordos" clearly indicated:

Ewwwwwwwwwwww! You gargle with Pine-Sol?

P.S: I've always loved the smell of matches lighting. Maybe it's the sulfur lighting up the Devil in me. ;)

I always looked on with disbelief when cigarette smokers would strike a match and quickly get it to the end of their cigarette before the sulfur had burned away. Could it be they get addicted to the burning sulfur?

As a pipe smoker (no longer), I couldn't stand the taste or smell.

Pine-Sol, the multi-use product. :-)

Harold

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:11:45 -0700, the blithe spirit "Harold and Susan Vordos" clearly indicated:

While I love the smell, that's where it stops. I always watched that silly stunt (being too stupid to shield it so the toxic gases could waft away before lighting the other toxic material which you'd ingest) in horror, too. Yuk! I'm 17 years cig-free.

Nor could I. I quickly graduated to a butane lighter.

Yum! (not)

Congrats! Having been a smoker, and still owning all my pipes, which I light or very rare occasion, I feel justified in saying there's not a more stupid habit any thinking individual can acquire----aside from drugs.

I had one of those as well-----for pipes------a flame thrower, actually. . I also had one that worked with lighter fluid. You've seen them, maybe. A heated tube throws a long flame. Very cool. (Or is that hot?)

Smells good, though.

An amusing anecdote----especially to me. I am on my second marriage, which has endured over 28 years now, mostly due to a kind and loving woman that accepts me, warts and all. (poor soul!)

I was never very fond of my ex-in-laws. He was a smoker, in spite of the fact he hid behind the Mormon Church, and was, in fact, a direct descendent of Brigham Young. I watched with great enjoyment one day as he stuck a filtered cigarette in his mouth and lit it. Need I tell you which end he lit?

He was nothing short of pissed when I started laughing at him.

Given the chance, I'd have enjoyed watching him do it all over again, never saying a word to caution him. :-)

Harold

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:23:40 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:

Yeah, those are tres cool.

Sure does. I went back to it for my floors (PineSol wannabes need not apply), but still use toothpaste or mouthwash for my breath, thanks.

OK, how much are you paying her? ;)

I love watching that happen, too. I can't breathe around cigs any more. My lily-pink lungs just don't abide the pollution no mo.

Way cool!

I'm one of the lucky folks that can take or leave liquor. I might go a month with not so much as a sip of wine---or might enjoy a couple scotch and water while I listen to my favorite music, jazz (Brubeck, MJQ, Oscar Peterson). I have, however, been around those that can't leave it alone. Not a pretty sight.

OK, I admit------I don't gargle with it-----I just like the smell of pine.

Ha! Only everything I am and own. :-)

I can't stand being around cigarette smoke, or smokers. They don't seem to understand how badly they smell-----and they do smell.

On the other hand, I love the smell of a cigar or pipe, especially when not in confined quarters. An elderly gentleman used to smoke Rum & Maple tobacco at Sperry, always in the same two pipes, which were Kaywoodie white briars. I'd follow him around the plant just to smell the smoke.

Don't know how he stood the tobacco, though. I tried it for a couple days and started spitting up blood. It was the harshest tobacco I ever tried. Anyone that smokes a pipe understands how they bite.

Harold