Ozone

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:27:01 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, jk quickly quoth:

When people ask why I don't smoke any more I tell them the truth: "I NEVER want to stink like a _dirty ashtray_ again."

---- A mostly meat-powered woodworker, and proud of it.

Not to a smoker.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Chuckle...I stink like a diry ashtry and high sulpher cutting oil, with a dash of Old used cutting oil with mold and fungus and burned drive belts.

I was standing in line at the bank some while back..and the pretty little thing behind me tugged on my arm and asked if I was a machinist..as I smelled just like her dad did. We had lunch a week later........

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Yep! As much as I detest the smell of cigarette smoke, being around a pipe or cigar smoker is like roses to me.

Harold

What is funny is how cigarette smokers will anathematize cigar smokers. :-)

Being a smoker, I can tell you that cigars are just plain evil. Put one cigar sucker in a roomful of cigarette smokers puffing away, and the cigar *WILL* overwhelm the cigarettes.

Never mind that I've always thought cigars smelled about like burning shit.

It has always amazed me how bad cigars smell, when, at least in theory, they're the same stuff as cigarettes, going through the same process, albeit in a larger width.

Let the record show that Don Bruder wrote back on Fri,

And hey are not cheap either.

Do preserve your sensibilities by assiduously avoiding those who might olefactorily offend you. That might include some highly skilled people, oh well! That will include most Japanese since they are smokers, and VietNamese and folks from India due to dietary preferences.

A V.C. sniper could smell your pristine odor at some distance depeding some on breeze. So can game. Stalkers of the cong ate what they must (yechhh) to be olefactorily invisible. That doesn't mean no stink, just camo stink AKA olefactory camo.

I am a smoker. Some folks are surprised to learn that because they detect no odor. I'm still careful about odor, old habit. But I may be stinky to you. Oh well. Guess I won't be visiting anytime soon, no loss to you.

It depends on the cigar. If its Old Ropa...indeed. If its a Partagas..right pleasent.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Hand rolled on the virgin thighs of 13yr old Guatamalan girls. Then run through the Clinton Humidor...her 30 yr old clapped out hooker mom.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

An American sniper could too. So they ate what the enemy ate. Your skin winds up smelling the same, as do you farts and your turds look the same as the enemies. It takes about 3 days of a steady diet of "native" chow to start smelling like a native. 5 days is better.

Mi casa, su casa.

Its a smoking area.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:29:54 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner Asch quickly quoth:

Too true!

Me, too.

Don't they have dozens of other/different chemicals put on them? Different from the dozens put on ciggybacco.

I've always kidded cigar smokers that cigars were how they recycled the spare skin from a circumcision. You oughta see some of the reactions.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:50:18 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner Asch quickly quoth:

I'm sure the non-smoking Cong could smell the smokers from a mile off, too. I know I can smell a smoker (without a cig) from 50' in an enclosed area and a smoker (with a cig) from a few blocks away.

What I find interesting is the strong hold tobacco has on smokers. I'll be perfectly honest and say that I liked smoking my pipes, but the health issues associated with tobacco were very instrumental in my quitting. Because I never smoked cigarettes, I didn't inhale (very little, anyway), but I was still very concerned about the possibility of cancer---mouth, throat and stomach, which, for pipe smokers, is a serious concern.

It seems odd to me that well educated, brilliant people (RCM people) still gamble on that issue. There's no doubt about the connection between poor health and tobacco-----which has no redeeming qualities as near as I can tell. Considering the price today, I'm totally mystified why smokers don't quit and enjoy better health and wealth. I love the people, hate their habit.

Comments?

Harold

What I find interesting is the strong hold

1. Motorcycles
2. Sky diving
3. Rock climbing
4. Unprotected sex
5. yada

You get the picture.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Let the record show that Gunner Asch wrote back on Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:28:22 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :

I recall a Mike Royko column, wherein he wrote of being in a restaurant and having his dinner disturbed at some self-righteous idiot who was going on at great length about her personal life. She wouldn't shut up, or change the subject, or even lower her voice, not even when asked. So after dinner, he produced a cigar, and immediately, She was alert to the possibility of the Least Pollution of Her Personal Environment by Death Dealing Tobacco Smoke. Mike proceeded to just roll the cigar in his fingers, all the while telling the raunchiest dirty jokes he could think of, but using clinical language so there wasn't anything 'vuglar' about it. How to be really annoying, in two easy lessons. Also helps if you have a vocabulary more expressive than "f*ing mo-fo!"

tschus pyotr

-- pyotr filipivich TV NEWS: Yesterday's newspaper read to the illiterate.

Because Harold, so many smokers started when young ( E.G.I started regularly at age 13) that it's extremely hard to quit for many of them. I smoked for over 20 years before I managed to quit. And I tried several times. Three friends of mine who are alcoholics and have quit drinking all had a much harder time giving up cigs. One still hasn't been able to quit. And nicotine has a really strong hold on some folks. I think even Richard Feynman was a smoker. ERS

It's quite simple: Addiction plus habit.

Habit is bad enough on its own. Addiction is also plenty bad.

Put them together, and you've got a recipe for relapse.

Some of us have the habit. My mother, the rapidly anti-smoking ex-smoker, would be one example of that type. After 20-odd years of pack-and-a-half a day, she put 'em down, and said "that's that". She took up needlework (particularly knitting), and never showed sign one of any sort of withdrawal. Some of us have the addiction. My stepfather, who mother badgered into quitting along with her. He had no problem with "replacing" the habit, as he's always been intensely "hands on everything" anyway. But boy, did he get the sweat-dribbling, shaking, mood-swinging "OHMYGODINEEDACIGARETTENOWDAMMIT!" withdrawal syndrome kicking his ass for days.

Some of us have both. Me. Just shy of two packs a day for the last 20 years. Habit up the wazoo (No other way to explain going out to the car to get a pack of butts out of the console, lighting one on the way back into the house, then realizing there's one burning in the ashtray - and yes, I do use the oversized "safety" ashtrays, for exactly that reason) Addiction - I've made a serious effort at quitting three times now. All three have ended with people who had to share space with me for some reason buying me a pack and telling me to light up or get out within 48 hours of my last butt. I turn into a raving mess without nicotine. People have described me as intolerable to be around if I don't have it. And I understand why - I become a strung-out junkie, and there's no other nicer way to put it. My temper (what little there is of it to begin with...) goes completely out the window, and things go downhill from there - cramps, shaking and sweats, the "creepy-crawlies" on/under the skin, the ever popular green-apple two-step - The only thing I haven't noticed from trying to quit tobacco is hallucinations and vomiting. Otherwise, it's a full-blown case of the screaming heebee-jeebees.

Between the two, I currently don't hold much hope for getting rid of the damned things, though I wish I could. I managed to cold-turkey off ritalyn years ago - Four days of being afraid I was going to die, immediately followed by about two weeks of wishing I'd died back on about day two - I got "the works" from that... the critters, the projectile vomiting, the demons and even less-namable shapes jumping around and screaming at me non-stop... It was truly ugly. I didn't find out until afterwards that it's classed as being just slightly less addictive than heroin or cocaine, but being out of it, with no realistic source, I got through it. I managed to get off that, but cigarettes seem to have me by the balls.