Swivel milling vise and CNC


I have a swivel milling vise. Do I understand it right, as it seems,
that CNC does not care for swiveling and I would be best served taking
the swivel base off?
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Ignoramus8473
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Usually people go for a rotary table. Then you can "swivel" your work piece in a controlled repeatable manner. Put a motor on your rotary table and, "BAM!" 4 axis machining. I can usually clamp most work pieces without one to get what I want, but it would be nice for a little more consistent tooth position for cutting some types of gears. If I had a bigger working envelope I would be really tempted to go 5 axis and put a trunnion table or a chuck and spindle on top of a rotary table. There are some pockets that are just a pain to program using just 3 axis.

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Bob La Londe
Thats a personal pref. Swivels dont hurt to have IMO, but a versital necessity for manuals. Toolmakers like me use to through them out. Rotary cross slide- table is the manual equivalant to a 2X CNC.
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cncmillgil
It is easy to align the vise to the X axis and then you can do anything with CNC. I found very early that the swivel base gave up a LOT of rigidity, to the point you could see the vise vibrate on heavy cuts. Machining went a lot better when I took it off.
Jon
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Jon Elson
well ya............. what are you hogging on a manual thats vibrating it loose? broken tap E/M :-) more cutter teeth =3D smoother cut? 5 flt apkt type inserts are key. ie : ingersol- saweet - no coolant neceassary just a air blast or preferably "cool gun"
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cncmillgil
Bob, I have a Troyke CNC rotary table (no control, just a servo driven table). It does not seem to work. I have not even started looking it it, as I want to work on one project at a time. But I want to fix it soon, if it is really broken, and use as a 4th axis.
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Ignoramus8473
I have the same exact feeling. Thanks
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Ignoramus8473
Ditto what Jon said about rigidity. I also like keys on the vise bottom. Just slide the vise in the slots and its square. Saves a lot of setup time.
karl
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Karl Townsend
Same here. Go into most commercial shops and the vises are all without the swivels.
Gunner, who has a stack of swivels someplace..but none on his machines.
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Gunner Asch
I generally align the vise jaws to the X axis within .001" I rarely put the vise body along the X where the keys could fit the slots, as so much of the time the long edge of the parts is parallel to the jaws. Due to a small Bridgeport (the oldest round-ram turret millers had a 9" travel on the Y axis, and do to some goofs in my retrofit, I now have only about 7.5 inches travel that way). I have a later Bridgeport 12" knee, but need to come up with a number of parts to retrofit it on my machine. I wouldn't trust the keys for alignment unless I had tweaked them myself. The table slots are not precision machined parallel to the ways, at least on my machine.
Jon
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Jon Elson
There is no practical reason to use the swivel on a cnc mill unless you have it mounted to an angle plate to effect an A or B axis.
My Kurt vise sits on top of a Kurt base that Steve Saling, AKA GarlicDude from A.M.C sent me a long time ago. I had to insist on paying for the shipping cost just to feel right about his generosity.
Steve wanted me to tell him when I actually used the swivel feature on my BP. I've used it about 3 times but when I need it, it is priceless. Same for the swivel vise at work.
The joy of CNC is that you don't need a rotary table or a swivel vise to make non-orthagonal cuts.
Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
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Wes
it mounted to
A.M.C sent
vise at work.
Sounds very nice of Steve and congrats on getting a base. It seems that all "in the know" agree. I already mounted the vise on the table.
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Ignoramus8473
In general -- you are better without it on the CNC machine, because you can get any angle you want from the g-Codes, and this way you can be sure that the vise is properly trammed.
If you want a swivel vise -- you want it on a CNC controlled axis on a rotary table. :-)
Enjoy, DoN.
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DoN. Nichols
I presume you'll use the RT in a vertical orientation? A horizontal RT is real handy on a manual mill, but not particularly useful on a CNC where circular interpolation will do the job.
As for a swivel base on the vise, take it off, it is of no benefit on a CNC mill and only serves to waste an inch of Z height.
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Pete C.
Right, the axis of rotation would be parallel to the X axis.
Agree 100%.
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Ignoramus1880

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