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taper vs plug taps

According to Harold and Susan Vordos :

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I thought so.

I've got some set aside (along with the proper size tap drills) for the next batch of a certain part from 360 brass in the turret lathe.

Well ... I also have a 15th edition (though it was not bought new), useful for a lot of the things which match my old tools.

However -- it does not have the table for the tap drills for form taps.

You might pick up a newer one at some kind of used book auction someday -- just for things like the tap drills for form (roll) taps. You can never have too many reference books. Some of these days, I hope to find one closer to a 4th edition or so, to see what has been dropped from the 15th edition. :-)

I have not bothered to check the 24th edition to see whether it still documents an interesting thread form in the 15th edition -- the "Aero" thread, which appears to be an early version of the heli-coil, but explicitly for female threads in soft materials like aluminum or magnesium. I somehow suspect that it is no longer listed in today's editions.

Enjoy, DoN.

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DoN. Nichols
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Harold, I mentioned in a previous post that I tap 304SS with form taps. So there. I started doing this when I had to make a bunch of parts to make from 304 that had a 10-32 tapped hole. This hole needed to be bottom tapped. Using a high spiral tap worked OK for a while but tap breakage destroying the part happened too many times. I did use all the advice and direction from the tap makers but tap life was still too short. Switching to form taps greatly reduced breakage. It eventually turned out that the material itself was the reason for poor tap life. Switching to 304 from a different supplier helped a bunch. But I still use form taps in 304 when tapping blind holes ERS

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Eric R Snow

Greetings DoN, I have a 2nd edition, a 21st and 26th. It's amazing how much info in the second is still in the 26th. I wanted an early edition because I remembered reading an old one that a fellow machinist had that detailed how to join leather belts. That old info still comes in handy now and then. ERS

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Eric R Snow

I have a 16th and a 20th that I don't need any longer. Do you know anyone that would like to have them for a few bucks? ...lew...

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Lew Hartswick

This is covered in both the 13th and 22nd editions which form my library. Gerry :-)} London, Canada

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Gerald Miller

Yep, you did, but didn't mention the degree of satisfaction.

Understand that I'm not challenging you-----I am just curious about the performance they provide in tough materials. Stainless, with it's well deserved reputation for work hardening, could prove challenging----especially if you had to go back in the same hole because you didn't achieve proper depth. Assuming you get good and proper deformation in the process of forming the thread, it should be superior to a cut thread, just as rolled A threads are superior to machined threads. I'm a strong (mental) fan of thread forming, just inexperienced.

Harold

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Harold and Susan Vordos

Greetings Harold, I am satisfied with form taps in 304. You need to watch carefully the load on the tap. With the proper high pressure tap lube it's the way to go for blind holes. Even so, I will tap the holes as soon as possible in the part making process because form tapping 304 is right at the limit. And when I don't pay attention I break taps. ERS

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Eric R Snow

Thanks, Eric. That's what I was thinking, but had no experience to confirm my hunch.

Harold

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Harold and Susan Vordos

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