I wonder how Marshall felt about that sale, he was not real happy with the
price I paid for my Nichols mill from him, thats ebay some times you get a
good deal. Nice guy with alot of nice equipmnet in his store. That must be
close to you??
Here's another nice machine although smaller and not necessarily cheap!:
I guess the gentleman finally got his dream and then passed away. Not a
bad way to go, come to think of it. Anyone remember a couple years
back, there was a nearly mint Rivett (sp?) for sale on ebay for about
$3,000, not the variety that looks like a Monarch, but the earlier
rectangular bed variety. I should have bid on that one....
I have a guy here that has been triing to sell a Monarch for $1500, its the
10EE I was going to check it out. they seem to be going cheap these days. On
a much smaller scale I did score a nice adjust thru 6 jaw for my heavy 10,
real nice chuck, it came with an aloris tool post with 8 different holders.
After selling off the lathe parts it all came from I should break even.
As a proud owner of a 10EE, I've watched and don't understand why the price
on this wonderful machine dropped with the recession and never came back up.
I think it may be the best buy in fine lathes today.
Speaking as one that spent over a year, full time, running an EE when it was
a new machine, I can vouch that it is likely the finest engine lathe to have
been produced. However, the problems that accompany the machine where the
drive system is concerned is not to be taken lightly. It has to be very
instrumental in keeping the resale value low on all EE's. The features
that accompany an EE, coupled with the superior quality, leave it in a class
all by itself. You are a fortunate man to own one, and even more
fortunate it you have one that is not giving you trouble with the electrical
system, assuming that be the case. Even the new one I used to run lost
the occasional tube.
Speaking as one that spent over a year, full time, running an EE when it was a
new machine, I can vouch that it is likely the finest engine lathe to have been
produced. However, the problems that accompany the machine where the drive
system is concerned is not to be taken lightly. It has to be very instrumental
in keeping the resale value low on all EE's.
The reason it is called an "EE" is because you have to be an EE (electrical
engineer) to keep one going.
Seriously, these are outstanding machines, from a mechanical perspective, and
the electrical systems underwent a "continuous improvement program", so they
were the very best that could be made ... when they were made.
Few EEs are identical, and Monarch Tool will sell you a manual for any EE in
its "as built" state, meaning that you will be provided prints for the very
electrical system and the very features your EE had when it left the Monarch
plant. And, Monarch still maintains its files on every EE (and other models) it
made. Hundreds of cabinets full.
You cannot do a decent job of electrically trouble shooting an EE without the
An EE is perhaps one machine where many hours of "sweat equity" pay off. In
The machine is so fundamentally strong in its mechanical systems that the
weakpoints are confined to the electrical system, and working on the electrical
system is having the right print, having a fundamental knowledge of electrical
systems, patience, perseverance, and a little luck.
Joint the Practical Machinist forum, as this is where all the EE EE mavens (EE
mavens who are EEs) hang out.
Sadly, the "quick fix" these days, for an EE with a troubled electrical system
is ripping out the dc drive, and installing a VFD.
Bad choice, as nearly every dc drive machine is repairable.
Plus, the dc drive performance is almost always superior in every respect to an
Now, the cost of the tubes is a whole 'nother matter, at $860 per C16J
thyratron, and lesser costs for the other specialized tubes, which depend upon
the specific drive type (WiaD, Modular).
The most trouble-free EEs are the Ward-Leonard (AKA, M-G) machines. But, these
are also the oldest, having been made from the early 1940s to the early 1950s.
Any EE made after 1949 is most probably an electronic drive, and this means big
bux if a thyratron is bad.
However, the lifetime of these tubes is an unknown, and there have been
machines which have never lost a thyratron.
(For $860, the cost of one C16J thyratron, you can probably replace the entire
dc drive with an ac drive).
There's no way it would be finer. The genius of the engineers produced a
lathe that developed almost full torque, even down at a crawl. Their
circuitry, according to my understanding, is as good as it got, especially
considering the time involved.
When an EE is running properly, I can't imagine anything that would be
better. They are so cool that you can cut a thread to full depth right up
to a dead stop, with no thread relief. . Every try it? It has to be in
aluminum or free machining brass, it won't work in steel.
Don't misunderstand my statement. I fully agree with you about keeping one
running. All I'm saying is if you have on that is in perfect running order,
there is nothing that would make it any better. How many are?
I have worshipped an EE as long as I've been a machinist. I do *not* place
it in a class with ten other machines. It may very well be in a class all
its own, with others very near by.
I considered buying a new one when I started my business, but empty pockets
have a way of forcing you to look at other options. That lead me to the
Graziano I own. To this day I still dream of owning one, but the topic of
discussion, the electronics, has kept me from doing so. I would rather own
my Graziano, with its few limitations (as compared to the EE) than an EE
that would be difficult to keep in operating condition. I also have
little interest in VFD, considering I have three phase service.
Sorry, that was a case of mistaken identity. I read the first post,
where the german lathe on ebay went for about 3K, then jumped to
right to yours and didn't check the link for that machine.
I guess I was hoping that maybe I had done a rip van winkle and
woken up in a new time where HLVHs went for 3K. Ah well. No
hardinge for me for xmas then....
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A steal. Mine was being surplussed by my company, it was
going to the knackers. I asked for it and they delivered
Well, it's not really mine, it belongs to that big blue
company. But the upside on that deal is, they supply a
place to put it! And I get to use it off-hours.
Still given the size of my shop at home, I don't think
I'd make any changes for any machine other than one of
those. *Maybe* a pratt and whitney 12" machine. :)
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