Way OT Shotgun question

I just bought a Mossberg HS410 for my family (my youngest kid is 12, so I wanted a smaller gun) and was looking for a folding stock that is adjustable in length. There's a few for Mossberg bigger gages, but I haven't been able to find one for this one. Is anyone aware of one that I haven't found, or one that can be made to fit? There's a good bit of difference in the sizes of the folks in my family, from 5'3" to 6'1", so a comfortable stock will help a lot at the range.

Reply to
Carl McIver
Loading thread data ...

Carl..you should have bought a 20 ga. It kicks Less than a 410 on average. Felt recoil is less..and it packs a shit load more shot.

Gunner

Reply to
Gunner

Na, I cut my teeth on a .410. The kids in town got a BB gun. Dad got me a .410. Most fun gun I ever had. Wish I still owned it. Taught me to shoot quickly before the bird is out of range.

To the OP, couldn't you modify the stock you got? Saw stock to shortest length you want. Make lengths to bolt back on. Kinda like leafs in a table. OTOH, I just learned to use that .410 as it was, my finger could hardly reach the trigger at first.

Karl

Reply to
Karl Townsend

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 05:23:15 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Karl Townsend" quickly quoth:

You might want to qualify that, Karl, by mentioning that he should make sure that sawing off the stock won't put the gun into the too-short league where they'd have the BATFE down their throats.

-- The only place you will be accepted is the place you make for yourself. -- Holly Lisle, Fire In The Mist, 1992

Reply to
Larry Jaques

Do they look at the overall length of the gun, or just the barrel length.

Reply to
Tim Wescott

OK. The only guns that I've shot are ones that I made, and they involved "gun powder" that I made from match heads -- so I'm no expert.

If a 20 gauge has less recoil and more shot than a 410, doesn't that mean that the muzzle velocity, and hence range, is much lower? My brain is coming up with some lame physicists humor here where you pull the trigger and lead slowly barfs out of the muzzle over 10 seconds or so...

Reply to
Tim Wescott

Felt recoil depends not only on the powder charge and projectile mass, but also on the mass of the weapon itself: all other things being equal, the heavier the weapon, the lighter the recoil. Most .410s are pretty lightweight guns.

Felt recoil is also a very subjective thing.

Reply to
Doug Miller

18" barrel length, 26" overall, unless the thing never had a buttstock, in which case it's a smooth-bore pistol. Other stuff for muzzleloaders, and other stuff by state laws.

-- Ed Huntress

Reply to
Ed Huntress

if you're a ten year kid that just got his first duck, quail, pheasant you wouldn't have felt the kick even it it was an elephant gun.

Karl

Reply to
Karl Townsend

Bingo!

I hunt deer and rabbit with a 12-ga that kicks pretty damn hard on a firing range. Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to kick at all in the field.

Reply to
Doug Miller

Take it to a gunsmith, and they will show you how to measure the boy. This will be helpful because he will soon need a longer stock as he grows, and you can buy butt pads and slip over recoil pads that will build up what you will be cutting off now. Replacing the whole stock would not be advisable because he is going to grow each year. He's not going to be shooting enough that it has to be exact, so close enough is okay. When he is old enough and stops growing, it'll be way past time to buy another gun. This one will look funny with all the extensions and butt pads on it.

Measuring stock length is something a gunsmith can do, as well as cutting down a stock. Trouble is, the gun is usually set up for only one person, and for another to fit it is just a lucky occurrence. One size does not fit all, but close enough is close enough. Lots of guns are sold with standard length stocks, but if a guy shoots a lot, they will soon have it custom cut. If you don't shoot a lot, it's hard to notice the difference or even know that stocks are custom cut for each person. And, if you don't want to go through all the rigamarole, just keep the stock stock and each person will have to adjust personally on how to shoot it and hit their target.

Adjustable folding stocks are mostly available on law enforcement and military models, and not a lot on hunting models.

Reply to
SteveB

My two elementary school daughters are about an inch shorter than my wife at the current point (who's 5'4") and my two sons are gaining on me fast (I'm 6'1") so the adjustable stock is something to make it easier for all of us at the range. Mossberg has some tactical shotguns with the adjustable stock already, but the gun shop I bought the .410 from was going to have to do some research to find out if they can get one for it. I don't want the stock length to be an issue for any of us, and by being able to set it to the user's preference, we all win. This has to be a one size fits all arrangement, and when fit is hitting the shan, the last thing they need to think about is stock length, which is one reason I've considered a basic pistol grip rear, but I haven't fully decided on that one yet. Choice of bore is a highly personal decision, and there's lots of opinion on both sides of the fence, so that issue will never be settled. I was originally going to get a 12 ga, but I don't want to make the girls afraid of the recoil or the report when they pull the trigger, so it's a concession on my part. When I was growing up, I got a Savage .410 for my

11th birthday, and my friend down the road used to go wasting our daddys' ammo with it on summer afternoons. He was a skinny little guy, and had a 12 ga, so after he had a chance to play with my "toy" we usually carried each other's gun, as the 12 ga did a number on him after awhile. The .410 my father had (very long barrel) had accuracy that larger bores couldn't keep up with, so I grew up with a lot of respect for that choice. There's a lot more to that, obviously, but I don't get to hunt, and this is strictly for home defense.
Reply to
Carl McIver

26" overall, and 18" from the muzzle to the bolt face with the action closed.

Rifles are 16" to the bolt face

Gunner, who always leaves .250 long

Reply to
Gunner

The average rule of thumb, for the average shooter, is to place the butt stock in the crook of your elbow and measure to the middle joint of the trigger finger.

This is a rough but generally accurate measurement of "length of pull"

Good stuff.

This btw..is the reason you NEVER buy a synthetic stocked arm for a youth. Only wood ones.

Gunner

Reply to
Gunner

Buy a second shotgun and cut it down for the wimmin folks.

You only put one life preserver in a boat?

Take my advise..DONT go for the pistol grip.

It was invented for up close and personal..and the gulible who watch too many Hollywierd movies.

Gunner

Reply to
Gunner

Did you even consider a 20 ga?

You should do so.

Gunner

Reply to
Gunner

There's a bunch of adapters out there for telescoping M4 carbine butt stocks to adapt them to a number of different long guns, have even seen them for 10/22s. This is an ideal solution for this sort of thing, they've got 6 positions. Might not be an adapter or stock set for your particular gun, but this IS a metalworking group, after all. Might be you can make something that would be saleable. Downside is that you'll have about as much in the buttstock as the whole gun is worth. Look up "tactical", "shotgun" and "buttstock" on google, you'll probably get some ideas.

The other thing to watch out for is some states have laws against "evil" features like folding stocks. Don't know if the M4 stock would qualify, but you don't want some Barney Fife trying to find out, either.

Mossberg has youth stocks available for some models, you can contact them directly to see if they have one for your gun.

Stan

Reply to
stans4

PolyTech Forum website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.