Currently we all have M070. Mine's the only computer with Vista. I'm
wondering about compatibility the other computers in my section that
run ProE on XP Pro. Should we all upgrade to the new M090 and is it
compatible with XP as well as Vista? We usually have a policy of
staying on the same date code.
Currently we all have M070. Mine's the only computer with Vista. I'm
wondering about compatibility the other computers in my section that
run ProE on XP Pro. Should we all upgrade to the new M090 and is it
compatible with XP as well as Vista? We usually have a policy of
staying on the same date code.
Nice deal from Dell on the M90:
formatting link
Comes with a choice of Vista or XP, depends on how much you value maintenance and support, cuz there are no PTC-certified Vista configurations of the M90 (or anything else, that I could find). However, if you bought the machines with XP, I'd be expecting some kind of upgrade offer in 6 months. As to the machines, I'm still in doubt as to what 2 duo core machines buys you with Pro/e and 2.33 ghz is not a lot of raw processing power, so, unless apps are capable of using the mulitprocessor support effectively, you've left it to Windows to parcel out the tasks to the processors. Here, the most multithreaded app processing wins. And Pro/e is such a lame, 80s linear program you can't even print and save a file at the same time nor do any real multi-tasking nor multi-threading. Please, someone explain how Pro/e benefits from all this extra capability of 2 dual core processors!??! Well, while the offer above, on most notebook computers, would be high end, it's out of sight on a desktop replacement. If I were in business, I'd buy every one I needed without hesitation. But get it with XP, on the understanding from Dell, that you can upgrade to Vista, sometime in the future, at a nominal fee.
David Janes
and support, cuz there are no PTC-certified Vista configurations of the M90 (or
anything else, that I could find). However, if you bought the machines with XP,
I'd be expecting some kind of upgrade offer in 6 months. As to the machines, I'm
still in doubt as to what 2 duo core machines buys you with Pro/e and 2.33 ghz
is not a lot of raw processing power, so, unless apps are capable of using the
mulitprocessor support effectively, you've left it to Windows to parcel out the
tasks to the processors. Here, the most multithreaded app processing wins. And
Pro/e is such a lame, 80s linear program you can't even print and save a file at
the same time nor do any real multi-tasking nor multi-threading. Please, someone
explain how Pro/e benefits from all this extra capability of 2 dual core
processors!??! Well, while the offer above, on most notebook computers, would
be high end, it's out of sight on a desktop replacement. If I were in business,
I'd buy every one I needed without hesitation. But get it with XP, on the
understanding from Dell, that you can upgrade to Vista, sometime in the future,
at a nominal fee.
Now I've just had an email from PTC saying that M090 does not support
Vista Enterprise, only Vista Business and Ultimate. Yet Enterprise is
a package aimed at businesses, so they can spread payments for
multiple licences.
Now I've just had an email from PTC saying that M090 does not support
Vista Enterprise, only Vista Business and Ultimate. Yet Enterprise is
a package aimed at businesses, so they can spread payments for
multiple licences.
Well, I sympathize, I truly do. But, has it occured to you (or them) that you might have made a mistake by buying an unsupported, uncertified system, especially, when the only supporting/certifying agency that matters is PTC? Only now are they "saying" that it's supported on Business/Ultimate, but does the website say that? These are the currently CERTIFIED platforms, NO Vista mentioned:
formatting link
you believe the website or a voice on the phone? Should lawyers be involved? How much money's at stake?
David Janes
>
maintenance and support, cuz there are no PTC-certified Vista configurations of
the M90 (or anything else, that I could find). However, if you bought the
machines with XP, I'd be expecting some kind of upgrade offer in 6 months. As to
the machines, I'm still in doubt as to what 2 duo core machines buys you with
Pro/e and 2.33 ghz is not a lot of raw processing power, so, unless apps are
capable of using the mulitprocessor support effectively, you've left it to
Windows to parcel out the tasks to the processors. Here, the most multithreaded
app processing wins. And Pro/e is such a lame, 80s linear program you can't even
print and save a file at the same time nor do any real multi-tasking nor
multi-threading. Please, someone explain how Pro/e benefits from all this extra
capability of 2 dual core processors!??! Well, while the offer above, on most
notebook computers, would be high end, it's out of sight on a desktop
replacement. If I were in business, I'd buy every one I needed without
hesitation. But get it with XP, on the understanding from Dell, that you can
upgrade to Vista, sometime in the future, at a nominal fee.
might have made a mistake by buying an unsupported, uncertified system,
especially, when the only supporting/certifying agency that matters is PTC? Only
now are they "saying" that it's supported on Business/Ultimate, but does the
website say that? These are the currently CERTIFIED platforms, NO Vista
mentioned:
formatting link
Do you believe the website or a voice on the phone? Should lawyers be
involved? How much money's at stake?
The website does say that. It's here:
formatting link
"Starting with Wildfire 3.0 M090, Windows Vista Business and Vista
Ultimate will be supported in both 32 and 64 bit versions. Because
PTC's hardware and graphics partners continue to address issues with
the Vista platform, certified configurations for Vista will not be
available until summer 2007. For additional information about
supported platforms when they become available, visit the Platform
Support page:
"Starting with Wildfire 3.0 M090, Windows Vista Business and Vista
Ultimate will be supported in both 32 and 64 bit versions. Because
PTC's hardware and graphics partners continue to address issues with
the Vista platform, certified configurations for Vista will not be
available until summer 2007. For additional information about
supported platforms when they become available, visit the Platform
Support page:
formatting link
"
Well, it's Summer, '07, so I guess, technically, they got till almost October. The thing I love about that TPI is how many caveats they issue, cya-time. And what's this shit about 'contact GPU vendor for latest OGL drivers'? OpenGL is a system supported function, like GDI. I've never heard of (though I often wondered why not) GPU makers distributing their own OGL drivers. Maybe Vista will do the community a favor by making it take responsibility for OGL support.
So, the main thing I get out of it is wait a couple years, XP's doin' just fine and the benefits of Vista are dubious, (not one has been mentioned, so far). And that's the best that can be said for it. So, aside from some general, personal user benefits, what would be the benefits to a Pro/e setup? Sorry, call me skeptical, but I can't see why anyone would want to upgrade to Vista for a Pro/e setup!
David Janes
> >
maintenance and support, cuz there are no PTC-certified Vista configurations of
the M90 (or anything else, that I could find). However, if you bought the
machines with XP, I'd be expecting some kind of upgrade offer in 6 months. As to
the machines, I'm still in doubt as to what 2 duo core machines buys you with
Pro/e and 2.33 ghz is not a lot of raw processing power, so, unless apps are
capable of using the mulitprocessor support effectively, you've left it to
Windows to parcel out the tasks to the processors. Here, the most multithreaded
app processing wins. And Pro/e is such a lame, 80s linear program you can't even
print and save a file at the same time nor do any real multi-tasking nor
multi-threading. Please, someone explain how Pro/e benefits from all this extra
capability of 2 dual core processors!??! Well, while the offer above, on most
notebook computers, would be high end, it's out of sight on a desktop
replacement. If I were in business, I'd buy every one I needed without
hesitation. But get it with XP, on the understanding from Dell, that you can
upgrade to Vista, sometime in the future, at a nominal fee.
you might have made a mistake by buying an unsupported, uncertified system,
especially, when the only supporting/certifying agency that matters is PTC? Only
now are they "saying" that it's supported on Business/Ultimate, but does the
website say that? These are the currently CERTIFIED platforms, NO Vista
mentioned:
formatting link
> Do you believe the website or a voice on the phone? Should lawyers be
involved? How much money's at stake?
The thing I love about that TPI is how many caveats they issue, cya-time. And
what's this shit about 'contact GPU vendor for latest OGL drivers'? OpenGL is a
system supported function, like GDI. I've never heard of (though I often
wondered why not) GPU makers distributing their own OGL drivers. Maybe Vista
will do the community a favor by making it take responsibility for OGL support.
fine and the benefits of Vista are dubious, (not one has been mentioned, so
far). And that's the best that can be said for it. So, aside from some general,
personal user benefits, what would be the benefits to a Pro/e setup? Sorry, call
me skeptical, but I can't see why anyone would want to upgrade to Vista for a
Pro/e setup!
I can't see it either. I would have been happy with XP but our IT guy
wanted to put it on :-( Vista is apparently better from a security
standpoint. Not that I think we had troubles before, and anyway, most
of our workstations here are still on XP and the rest are Macs.
It hasn't helped. My workstation is totally locked up now and all I
did was try to save a file.
I can't see it either. I would have been happy with XP but our IT guy
wanted to put it on :-( Vista is apparently better from a security
standpoint. Not that I think we had troubles before, and anyway, most
of our workstations here are still on XP and the rest are Macs.
It hasn't helped. My workstation is totally locked up now and all I
did was try to save a file.
Well, you're about as secure, now, as you can possibly get, locked up, nothing in, nothing out, absolutely no danger of penetration there, no danger of getting any work done, either. Might as well push the off button and go home, tell your boss to see the big brains in IT about why you can't get any work done. I mean, can you imagine having enough money that you could pay $4k for a machine to get work done and then just watch it sit idle. And then the people, who made the decision that resulted in idling a perfectly good machine, just skate. And the real talent just sits on its hand.
David Janes
"Starting with Wildfire 3.0 M090, Windows Vista Business and Vista
Ultimate will be supported in both 32 and 64 bit versions. Because
PTC's hardware and graphics partners continue to address issues with
the Vista platform, certified configurations for Vista will not be
available until summer 2007. For additional information about
supported platforms when they become available, visit the Platform
Support page:
formatting link
"
Well, I still say that it sounds like a good six months before anyone should consider putting Pro/e on a Vista machine (and expect to get any work done.)
David Janes
Our IT guys have put in another hard on my workstation and set up XP
on it, then reinstalled ProE and my other applications. They wanted to
keep my old setup in case XP didn't improve things. And it hasn't! I'm
still going slow (at times). Another guy has M090 on an XP
workstation, an older workstation with less grunt than mine and it
still goes faster than mine.
So we've come to the conclusion that the problem is the graphics
driver. We put an Nvidia driver for the Vista setup and even though
it's now on XP we're still using that driver. I don't quite get it,
but Nvidia uses DirectX, which I believe is M$'s attempt to oust
OpenGL. OGL is embedded in DirectX rather than used directly and the
release that DirectX uses is much older then the current OGL version.
Something like that. So we're going to try a different graphics card
next week.
So the moral of the story is: stay the hell away from Vista for a long
time.
Yep,... and we know everyone will forget how slow Vista was/is in a
1-2 years and yet we will waste/spend more to manage the M$ hog.
It's called bend over progress... (thank you sir may I have
another....)
..
in, nothing out, absolutely no danger of penetration there, no danger of getting
any work done, either. Might as well push the off button and go home, tell your
boss to see the big brains in IT about why you can't get any work done. I mean,
can you imagine having enough money that you could pay $4k for a machine to get
work done and then just watch it sit idle. And then the people, who made the
decision that resulted in idling a perfectly good machine, just skate. And the
real talent just sits on its hand.
Actually I'm wondering if the way I construct assemblies is affecting
my display. Most of my parts have a merge feature as the first
feature, which references back to a master part. I've always modeled
this way since before copy geom came along, and as I don't have it in
my Pro/Assembly package it seems to be the only way to parametrically
reference a master part without making mulitple copy features. The
preselect display sure goes haywire with a merge feature in the part.
All the surfaces and curves that aren't even displayed all flash
momentarily when my cursor moves over the model. Does anybody else
hate that preselect function?
nothing in, nothing out, absolutely no danger of penetration there, no danger of
getting any work done, either. Might as well push the off button and go home,
tell your boss to see the big brains in IT about why you can't get any work
done. I mean, can you imagine having enough money that you could pay $4k for a
machine to get work done and then just watch it sit idle. And then the people,
who made the decision that resulted in idling a perfectly good machine, just
skate. And the real talent just sits on its hand.
Actually I'm wondering if the way I construct assemblies is affecting
my display. Most of my parts have a merge feature as the first
feature, which references back to a master part. I've always modeled
this way since before copy geom came along, and as I don't have it in
my Pro/Assembly package it seems to be the only way to parametrically
reference a master part without making mulitple copy features. The
preselect display sure goes haywire with a merge feature in the part.
All the surfaces and curves that aren't even displayed all flash
momentarily when my cursor moves over the model. Does anybody else
hate that preselect function?
Only when I pass over something like a shrinkwrap or large skeleton part and the display just B
messagenews: snipped-for-privacy@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
the display just B--OO--GGGG----SSS D--O--W--NNNNNN. Actually, I put the
shrinkwrap in there to SIMPLIFY display/regen (so maybe it simplified regen and
complicated display!?!) So, maybe just (temporarily) turn off pre-select?
And how do you turn off preselect? I can switch to "Annotation" but
that only last until the next select, then it goes back to "Smart".
Edit/select/preferences
gram>> "graminator" wrote in
messagenews: snipped-for-privacy@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
the display just B--OO--GGGG----SSS D--O--W--NNNNNN. Actually, I put the
shrinkwrap in there to SIMPLIFY display/regen (so maybe it simplified regen and
complicated display!?!) So, maybe just (temporarily) turn off pre-select?
PolyTech Forum website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.