wrote:<BR>> > > > Has anyone
tried the new M090 release of WF 3.0 for Vista? And?<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
Currently we all have M070. Mine's the only computer with Vista.
I'm<BR>> > > wondering about
compatibility the other computers in my section that<BR>>
> > run ProE on XP Pro. Should we all upgrade to
the new M090 and is it<BR>> > >
compatible with XP as well as Vista? We usually have a policy
of<BR>> > > staying on the same
date code.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Nice deal from Dell on the
M90:http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_m90?c =...<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > Comes with a
choice of Vista or XP, depends on how much you value maintenance and support,
cuz there are no PTC-certified Vista configurations of the M90 (or anything
else, that I could find). However, if you bought the machines with XP, I'd be
expecting some kind of upgrade offer in 6 months. As to the machines, I'm
still in doubt as to what 2 duo core machines buys you with Pro/e and 2.33 ghz
is not a lot of raw processing power, so, unless apps are capable of using the
mulitprocessor support effectively, you've left it to Windows to parcel out
the tasks to the processors. Here, the most multithreaded app processing wins.
And Pro/e is such a lame, 80s linear program you can't even print and save a
file at the same time nor do any real multi-tasking nor multi-threading.
Please, someone explain how Pro/e benefits from all this extra capability of 2
dual core processors!??! Well, while the offer above, on most notebook
computers, would be high end, it's out of sight on a desktop replacement. If I
were in business, I'd buy every one I needed without hesitation. But get it
with XP, on the understanding from Dell, that you can upgrade to Vista,
sometime in the future, at a nominal fee.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > David Janes<BR>>
><BR>> > Now I've just had an email from PTC
saying that M090 does not support<BR>> > Vista
Enterprise, only Vista Business and Ultimate. Yet Enterprise
is<BR>> > a package aimed at businesses, so they
can spread payments for<BR>> > multiple
licences. <SCREAM!><BR>> ><BR>> >
Well, I sympathize, I truly do. But, has it occured to you (or them) that you
might have made a mistake by buying an unsupported, uncertified system,
especially, when the only supporting/certifying agency that matters is PTC?
Only now are they "saying" that it's supported on Business/Ultimate, but does
the website say that? These are the currently CERTIFIED platforms, NO Vista
mentioned:http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/support/dell_wf3.htm <BR>>
> Do you believe the website or a voice on the phone? Should lawyers be
involved? How much money's at stake?<BR>>
><BR>> > David Janes<BR>><BR>> The
website does say that. It's here:<BR>><BR>> <A
href="https://www.ptc.com/appserver/cs/view/solution.jsp?n=136411 ">https://www.ptc.com/appserver/cs/view/solution.jsp?n=136411 </A><BR>><BR>>
"Starting with Wildfire 3.0 M090, Windows Vista Business and
Vista<BR>> Ultimate will be supported in both 32 and 64 bit
versions. Because<BR>> PTC's hardware and graphics partners
continue to address issues with<BR>> the Vista platform,
certified configurations for Vista will not be<BR>> available
until summer 2007. For additional information about<BR>>
supported platforms when they become available, visit the
Platform<BR>> Support
page:http://www.ptc.com/partners/hardware/current/support.htm "<BR>><BR
>>
Well, it's Summer, '07, so I guess, technically, they got till almost October.
The thing I love about that TPI is how many caveats they issue, cya-time. And
what's this shit about 'contact GPU vendor for latest OGL drivers'? OpenGL is
a system supported function, like GDI. I've never heard of (though I often
wondered why not) GPU makers distributing their own OGL drivers. Maybe Vista
will do the community a favor by making it take responsibility for OGL
support.<BR>><BR>> So, the main thing I get out of it is wait a couple
years, XP's doin' just fine and the benefits of Vista are dubious, (not one
has been mentioned, so far). And that's the best that can be said for it. So,
aside from some general, personal user benefits, what would be the benefits to
a Pro/e setup? Sorry, call me skeptical, but I can't see why anyone would want
to upgrade to Vista for a Pro/e setup!<BR>><BR>> David Janes<BR><BR>I
can't see it either. I would have been happy with XP but our IT guy<BR>wanted
to put it on :-( Vista is apparently better from a
security<BR>standpoint. Not that I think we had troubles before, and anyway,
most<BR>of our workstations here are still on XP and the rest are
Macs.<BR><BR>It hasn't helped. My workstation is totally locked up now and all
I<BR>did was try to save a file.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Well, you're about as secure, now, as you can possibly get, locked up,
nothing in, nothing out, absolutely no danger of penetration there, no danger of
getting any work done, either. Might as well push the off button and go home,
tell your boss to see the big brains in IT about why you can't get any work
done. I mean, can you imagine having enough money that you could pay $4k for a
machine to get work done and then just watch it sit idle. And then the people,
who made the decision that resulted in idling a perfectly good machine, just
skate. And the real talent just sits on its hand.</DIV>
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