[Actually, Reasonably OT] Hilty Family To Invade Magic Kingdom!

Well, i reckon......I live in Lakeland, which is only about 50 miles from Orlando, too bad we couldnt hook up.

He he, at least YOU aint trying to dig up and *manually* resod stuff at your new place!! Already lost 12lbs doing this, and I aint much over 130 to start with 8^)>

I was there once in 92. Other than the actual rocket garden, I thought it pretty much blew, but I did get to see Columbia on the pad then......our tour bus couldnt get too near but at least we seen it.

Youll be standing around for large periods of time wishing you were at the pool with your whole self in it, not just your feet.

If you were Bob Kaplow, maaaaaaybe

AstronMike

todd asked:

yes if you look in the right direction at the right time you can......I saw the joint US-USSR soyuz launch in july 1975 when I was at basic training in orlando........of course it was daytime and there was clear blue skies........can't miss those long white billowy exhausts from a saturn launch vehicle.....

shockie B)

We did Mickey...wait, let me rephrase that....we visited the Magic Kingdom when the kids were old enough to go a full day in the sun without fading. Since I have relatives in FL, I didn't stay there, but if I had it to do all over again, I'd stay at the Contemporary and use the monorail to get around. Pirates of the Carribean is the best ride at Disneyland AND Disneyworld, IMHO.

I did the drive from MI to FL ONCE. Wife was 7 months pregnant and we had a 4 and a 2 year old. They slept all day and the 2 year old was up, literally, all night. Most sleep-deprived I've been since college finals time.

You da man!!!

My son and I went for the first time about 5 years ago, so it was well before new post-9/11 paranoia. I would suggest that you hit the IMAX theater ASAP. We made the mistake of trying to get in after seeing the rest of the attractions and couldn't get in. Go when the park opens and there's no problem.

I saw a shuttle just after launch from Clearwater,FL which is all the way across the state. You betcha you can see it from nearby Orlando.

Have a great vacation and bring lots of cash. Disneyworld will suck your wallet dry faster than an M motor flight. ;-)

Mark Simpson NAR 71503 Level II God Bless our peacekeepers

In addition to the Cape there is a really cool vintage aircraft museum and restoration shop in the Kissimmee/Orlando area. I went there a few years ago when I was down at DW. I'm not absolutely certain, but I think it was Tom Reilly's Flying Tigers Warbird Airmuseum. The web site is at "

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That's the one, just past the rodeo arena on Hoagland Boulevard, just off Irlo Bronson, IIRC. Tom's work is fantastic. There was a pile of twisted bits on the floor of the hangar 3 years back, which by now should be pretty much on the way back to being P38 shaped. Tom also does restoration classes, warbird flights, you name it. He's got some real rarities in there - quite a lot, actually, so many in places that there's pathways about 2 feet wide max between piles of stuff. It's absolute bliss if you're into planes.

The other neat place nearby is Kermit Weeks' Fantasy of Flight, just off I4. We've been a couple of times now. The place is all 30's art-deco style, and he's got some superb, rare exhibits, including a Bachem Ba349 Natter and a V1 just to keep it rocketry related. The Fightertown sim area is the neatest toy I've played with for a while (combat flight sims set up in a whole bunch of dummy cockpit sections on a simulated carrier deck). If you do go, grab a flight in the 1929 New Standard biplane. My girlfriend wasn't sure about flying in something as small, but 5 minutes into the flight, she was wearing the biggest grin since, well, :-).

Each day, they do a fly-in show & tell - last year's visit, it was a P51, this year I saw a Fiesler Storch STOL fly for the first time. The field's a great location for photography as well.

G.

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As Mark Simpson but it:

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Is that why he has that goofy laugh? Or is it makes Goofy laugh.

KMJK=JUST couldn't resist Mark! :-)

IF it was me, I would:

1. Family to Magic Kingdom.

1. Me to KSC, ALONE!

Ain't I a stinker! :-)

KMJK

Just hand them your credit card and say "Lay it on me Baby!!!"

Seriously, since 9/11 the best tours are memories...

You should have no problem getting a room on the East coast, unless there is a convention. Check first!

Night launches are visible from Orlando; they just seem neutered once you experience the real thing. There is no substitute to sitting on the banks of the Banana River and FEELING the liftoff...

If there is a launch while you are in town, get a couple of cans of bug spray (Off, ect.) and pack a picnic snack. DO IT!!! don't kick yourself in the @$$ later.

Patrick - launch junkie...now very sad....

Is that the NARAM-24 site?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 20:25:26 +0100, Graham is alleged to have written:

How, exactly, is a pulse-jet powered unmanned aeroplane with a high explosive payload "rocketry related"?

I mean, just because it was picked as a "vengeance weapon" by the same regime that also flew some rockets doesn't mean it has anything to do with rocketry.

- Rick "Still a cool-looking device, though" Dickinson

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:03:50 -0700, "Karl Martin Joseph Kowert" is alleged to have written:

"No, I'm sorry, your honor. You misunderstood me. I didn't say I wanted a divorce because Minnie's crazy. I said I wanted to divorce her because she's f***ing Goofy!"

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Weren't some V-1's launched with a rocket-powered undercarriages? I know the primary launch method was a steam-powered catapult, but if they ever experimented with RATO packs, then this would make the V-1 slightly on-topic. Of course, if my grandmother had wheels, that'd make her a wagon - right?

My brother has one, it's 24mm.

Doug, this has got to be the greatest summary of Disney strategy that I've seen. There are Disney news groups and plenty of websites discussing travel and strategy (including sites examining the cost cutting measures at the parks). Disneyland has 'speedpass' which we used a few times. With a little planning, you fly right buy a huge line of people straight onto the ride. If you plan it just right, the kids never suspect you did any work and don't get as tired from walking.

I had a sociology prof who's 'thing' was queues. Of course Disney utilizes quite a few,...

Joel. phx

Ah yes, the fast pass. My son and I became pro's at this feature when we hit LA disney a few years back. It was fun going at Disney full speed. Eric was 16 yr old and could handle the fast pace required to "ride optimize" ourselves. Using the fastpass to it's utmost, you can actually carry two rides on it. As soon as your first window opens, check into another ride. That way you actually carry two rides on it at once and don't waste any "pass time".

Also, another great trick Eric came up with was the "zombie walk". When negotiating the crowds, especially when you find yourself going against the grain, try this: Walk with a deliberate pace, kind of stiffly, with arms swinging, and stare directely ahead, never making eye contact with anyone. They see you coming and notice that you aren't looking at them and they get out of your way! Worked great.

steve

hit LA disney a

window opens, check

this: Walk with a

aren't looking at

Yeah, beats my shuffling, talking to myself with random screams. That seems to stop people.

Joel. phx

Or try holding that map over your face as you walk. People seem to fly out of the way,.. or was that because of the stroller?

What you need is a stroller with nasty blades sticking out of the wheel hubs, ala "Ben Hur". ;)