It's not just the "guest editorial thing", but the entire editor's comments"
in the current Jan-Feb '04 issue. "Financially Challenged", "Financing This
Year", "Advertisers Unable to Pay", "Red Arrow Hobbies" and "Cutting Costs".
Would you like more cheese with that whine? Enough already! You tried, it is
not working, it is time to go do something else with your life...
Regarding Extreme Rocketry:
I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on ER and should feel
free to express it. It is too bad though that while the editor is labelled as a
whiner and so on, this is not also being seen as a sad indication for the hobby.
Personally, I still like ER and will continue to support it by buying it at my
local hobby shop. I also bought some back issues and the LDRS dvd recently and
got good service, and a good product.
I think that the (suggested) loss of any publication that is supportive of the
hobby is a shame. A few years ago, my girlfriend and I were in a hobby shop and
she showed me the rocket magazines. I was just getting an interest (again) in
the Estes line when she did that. From there, my interest really grew and I have
attended and flown in many launches including several high power launches. I am
thoroughly enjoying rocketry and all that goes with it. (except the obvious
I just wanted to express my view of ER, and my wish that it will continue.
CAR S620 L3
Len - I totally agree it is a shame to potentially lose a publication
supporting this hobby -- especially one that tries to cover HPR (a
relatively new interest of mine also). But the "formula" is not working, the
content is deteriorating, advertisers aren't paying their bills and Mr.
McNeely is loosing money. Sometimes you just have to cut your loses and go
do something else. Let's face it -- the Internet and all of the available
content is hurting publications such as this one.
<< But the "formula" is not working, the content is deteriorating, advertisers
aren't paying their bills and Mr. McNeely is loosing money. <snip>
<<Let's face it -- the Internet and all of the available content is hurting
publications such as this one. >>
Personally I don't understand the complaints about the content. It must be a
matter of taste, as I much prefer ER over Sport Rocketry which usually has too
much stuff I don't care about (kiddie launches, contests). But of course others
like SR better than ER because those are the kinds of articles that interest
As for the internet, sure you can find just about any tech info on the web that
you could get from a magazine, but I still prefer magazines. For one thing, I
can sit down at a restaurant and read a magazine while I eat. Can't do that
with the internet.
SR publishes articles on building rockets and has in almost every issue I've
It wins hands down for that alone.
Could "Extreme Rocketry" have a single article that's on "extreme rocketry"?
ER doesn't have enough content to bother taking to a restaurant. The last 2
issues I received had articles which were reduced from web pages (excellent
pages by the way) so they could fit in the few technical pages left after
Where's the extreme?
<< SR publishes articles on building rockets and has in almost every issue I've
received. It wins hands down for that alone.>>
Hmm, I seem to recall seeing plenty of construction articles in ER.
<<Could "Extreme Rocketry" have a single article that's on "extreme rocketry"?
Define "extreme". Is it just big dumb rockets? Rockets with special payloads?
Homebrew motors? Composite construction? High altitude? Unusual designs? Again,
I've seen all of these types of things in ER.
<< The last 2 issues I received had articles which were reduced from web pages
(excellent pages by the way) so they could fit in the few technical pages left
after the interview. >>
So basically, you want more construction articles and dump the interviews,
right? Wouldn't it have been easier (and more constructive) to say that from
the start? :)
<< Heck, it doesn't cover HPR. >>
Say what??? ER has lots of high power rocketry stuff!
Just as a random example, I happened to have the May/June 2003 issue handy. It
has a high power/EX launch report (Eastern Shore) featuring several huge
rockets; it has an article about EX propellents; a review of a Dynacom kit made
entirely of G10 and aluminum; and an interview with a high power modeler with
some very cool rockets. In addition to these articles there were 10 photos of
other rockets, and eight of those were high power.
July 2003 #28
52 pages (including front & back leaf)
Front cover rocket photo
4,5 TOC (2 photos)
6 publication page (ex photo,... shuttle flight)
8 mailbox, rol news
10 rol news, 2 launch photos (hpr)
12 rol news, 2 'hot' products
14-15 finally some meat. Airframe basics (very basic, not extreme)
16-25 Kory Kline, full page photo ever odd page
26-27 Centerfold, I'll give you this one is HPR
28 How to get published
30-35 Doc's article on NSL which appears to be about 2 pages. 2 page photo
of people looking up, one or 2 rockets visible in the crowd.
36 Road to compliance. Actually a full page.
38 1/2 ad 1/2 compliance
40 3/4 page Terry McCreary colored flame. I'd toss that into extreme.
42 3/4 page photo of KK with paragraph description of the awsum rocket he's
44 Foam cutting (condensed from Vatsaas website)
46 review of book The Mercury 13
48 launch calander from Aerotech's web page 1 photo maybe a HPR
50 Aft closure Safe Distances (holy smokes, no whinning)
51 ad (ibc) people looking up again
52 ad (bc) a hammer(?)
Page 19 has 2 pictures of KK with large monochopters which I would toss in
extreme. What, that's 3 'extremes' in this issue?
4 publication pages
15-1/2 pages ads
11 pages interview
5-1/2 technical (cough!) pages
6 page launch report
1 page book review
couple pages editorial, product news and reader comments
Sports Rocketry July/August, 2003
I just happened to have these 2 on top of each other and flipped open the SR
because you commented.
6 pages of the Project X-30 (extreme)
Photos of 10x MarsLander (extreme)
4 pages building a Shuttle glider an 2 pages of plans
3 pages motor certification list (waste)
2 page review of Desert Fox showing construction
2 page review Altimate I with modifications
Gee, if SR keeps it up, it will have more extreme content than ER. Just
noticed it was a buck cheaper, too.
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