I've purchased my last issue of "Extreme Rocketry"



And the newspaper makes a "business decision" that the moral issue exceeds the commercial one. Time after time.
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It's not just the "guest editorial thing", but the entire editor's comments" in the current Jan-Feb '04 issue. "Financially Challenged", "Financing This Year", "Advertisers Unable to Pay", "Red Arrow Hobbies" and "Cutting Costs".
Would you like more cheese with that whine? Enough already! You tried, it is not working, it is time to go do something else with your life...
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Regarding Extreme Rocketry:
I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion on ER and should feel free to express it. It is too bad though that while the editor is labelled as a whiner and so on, this is not also being seen as a sad indication for the hobby. Personally, I still like ER and will continue to support it by buying it at my local hobby shop. I also bought some back issues and the LDRS dvd recently and got good service, and a good product.
I think that the (suggested) loss of any publication that is supportive of the hobby is a shame. A few years ago, my girlfriend and I were in a hobby shop and she showed me the rocket magazines. I was just getting an interest (again) in the Estes line when she did that. From there, my interest really grew and I have attended and flown in many launches including several high power launches. I am thoroughly enjoying rocketry and all that goes with it. (except the obvious problems)
I just wanted to express my view of ER, and my wish that it will continue.
Len Bryan CAR S620 L3
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Len - I totally agree it is a shame to potentially lose a publication supporting this hobby -- especially one that tries to cover HPR (a relatively new interest of mine also). But the "formula" is not working, the content is deteriorating, advertisers aren't paying their bills and Mr. McNeely is loosing money. Sometimes you just have to cut your loses and go do something else. Let's face it -- the Internet and all of the available content is hurting publications such as this one.

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<< But the "formula" is not working, the content is deteriorating, advertisers aren't paying their bills and Mr. McNeely is loosing money. <snip> <<Let's face it -- the Internet and all of the available content is hurting publications such as this one. >>
Personally I don't understand the complaints about the content. It must be a matter of taste, as I much prefer ER over Sport Rocketry which usually has too much stuff I don't care about (kiddie launches, contests). But of course others like SR better than ER because those are the kinds of articles that interest them.
As for the internet, sure you can find just about any tech info on the web that you could get from a magazine, but I still prefer magazines. For one thing, I can sit down at a restaurant and read a magazine while I eat. Can't do that with the internet.
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SR publishes articles on building rockets and has in almost every issue I've received.
It wins hands down for that alone.
Could "Extreme Rocketry" have a single article that's on "extreme rocketry"?

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ER doesn't have enough content to bother taking to a restaurant. The last 2 issues I received had articles which were reduced from web pages (excellent pages by the way) so they could fit in the few technical pages left after the interview.
Where's the extreme?
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<< SR publishes articles on building rockets and has in almost every issue I've received. It wins hands down for that alone.>>
Hmm, I seem to recall seeing plenty of construction articles in ER.
<<Could "Extreme Rocketry" have a single article that's on "extreme rocketry"?

Define "extreme". Is it just big dumb rockets? Rockets with special payloads? Homebrew motors? Composite construction? High altitude? Unusual designs? Again, I've seen all of these types of things in ER.
<< The last 2 issues I received had articles which were reduced from web pages (excellent pages by the way) so they could fit in the few technical pages left after the interview. >>
So basically, you want more construction articles and dump the interviews, right? Wouldn't it have been easier (and more constructive) to say that from the start? :)
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Extreme - Anything except Yellow & Red rockets with cameras. 8-)
On 28 Jan 2004 01:11:19 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:

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<< Extreme - Anything except Yellow & Red rockets with cameras. 8-) >>
LOL!!
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:56:19 -0700, "Stone him"

It never was extreme except in name. It has a good title & lots of fluff. It should have been called Fluffy Rocketry.
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Agreed.
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On 27 Jan 2004 22:26:50 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:

Check out your local internet cafe' for lunch and on-line tech content!
Patrick
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<< Heck, it doesn't cover HPR. >>
Say what??? ER has lots of high power rocketry stuff!
Just as a random example, I happened to have the May/June 2003 issue handy. It has a high power/EX launch report (Eastern Shore) featuring several huge rockets; it has an article about EX propellents; a review of a Dynacom kit made entirely of G10 and aluminum; and an interview with a high power modeler with some very cool rockets. In addition to these articles there were 10 photos of other rockets, and eight of those were high power.
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July 2003 #28 52 pages (including front & back leaf) Front cover rocket photo 2,3 ad 4,5 TOC (2 photos) 6 publication page (ex photo,... shuttle flight) 7 ad 8 mailbox, rol news 9 ads 10 rol news, 2 launch photos (hpr) 11 ads 12 rol news, 2 'hot' products 13 ads 14-15 finally some meat. Airframe basics (very basic, not extreme) 16-25 Kory Kline, full page photo ever odd page 26-27 Centerfold, I'll give you this one is HPR 28 How to get published 29 KKcontinued 30-35 Doc's article on NSL which appears to be about 2 pages. 2 page photo of people looking up, one or 2 rockets visible in the crowd. 36 Road to compliance. Actually a full page. 37 ad 38 1/2 ad 1/2 compliance 39 ads 40 3/4 page Terry McCreary colored flame. I'd toss that into extreme. 41 ad 42 3/4 page photo of KK with paragraph description of the awsum rocket he's holding 43 ads 44 Foam cutting (condensed from Vatsaas website) 45 ads 46 review of book The Mercury 13 47 ads 48 launch calander from Aerotech's web page 1 photo maybe a HPR 49 ad 50 Aft closure Safe Distances (holy smokes, no whinning) 51 ad (ibc) people looking up again 52 ad (bc) a hammer(?)
Page 19 has 2 pictures of KK with large monochopters which I would toss in extreme. What, that's 3 'extremes' in this issue? 4 publication pages 15-1/2 pages ads 11 pages interview 5-1/2 technical (cough!) pages 6 page launch report 1 page book review couple pages editorial, product news and reader comments
Sports Rocketry July/August, 2003 I just happened to have these 2 on top of each other and flipped open the SR because you commented. 6 pages of the Project X-30 (extreme) Photos of 10x MarsLander (extreme) 4 pages building a Shuttle glider an 2 pages of plans 3 pages motor certification list (waste) 2 page review of Desert Fox showing construction 2 page review Altimate I with modifications
Gee, if SR keeps it up, it will have more extreme content than ER. Just noticed it was a buck cheaper, too.

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Interesting factual analysis.
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Point. Kudos from me too.
My ads are more a vote of support for the good work on the magazine than any expectation of "pull".
NAR policies tend to kill that hope sufficiently well.
Jerry
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I was surprised to see your ad in the latest HPR. -Rich
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Jerry had an ad in HPR? I hope he pulls a Gary on them.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:53:07 -0500, Rich Pitzeruse

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