BATF/DOJ are good... really good.
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- posted 18 years ago
Re: Ny/Nj Senators on "hold"
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- posted 18 years ago
But weight limits are "acceptable" to you.
Prove me wrong. Eliminate any weight limits on NAR defined model rocket motors except the total weight limit (125g) and call it the Irvine unified mass limit.
Oh, and BTW have all NAR members, Vendors, dealers, clubs, test committees STOP asking for any ATF peermits for ANY propellant actuated devices per 27 CFR 55.141-a-8 pending the outcome of the lawsuit and pending the very first ATF enforcement action ever.
Moron for NAR President. It has already been made so.
Jerry
Prove me wrong. Eliminate any weight limits on NAR defined model rocket motors except the total weight limit (125g) and call it the Irvine unified mass limit.
Oh, and BTW have all NAR members, Vendors, dealers, clubs, test committees STOP asking for any ATF peermits for ANY propellant actuated devices per 27 CFR 55.141-a-8 pending the outcome of the lawsuit and pending the very first ATF enforcement action ever.
Moron for NAR President. It has already been made so.
Jerry
- posted 18 years ago
Oh, BTW I submitted these to the Board. Wanna bet if they fail them?
- posted 18 years ago
yep
apart from the arbitrary weight limit which does nothing to increase security or safety, the use of the undefined terms "recreational model rocket" and "model rocket motor" can by interpretation by the regulating body (ATFE) reduce exempted rocketry to cardboard and balsa rockets using single-use motors.
this is [emphatically] unacceptable
- iz
apart from the arbitrary weight limit which does nothing to increase security or safety, the use of the undefined terms "recreational model rocket" and "model rocket motor" can by interpretation by the regulating body (ATFE) reduce exempted rocketry to cardboard and balsa rockets using single-use motors.
this is [emphatically] unacceptable
- iz
- posted 18 years ago
So, of course, since we didn't get exactly what we wanted the very
first time we tried we should just throw up our hands and go home.
Forget about contacting Senators or trying to work with the House version. It's foolish to even try.
I live my life that way too. If things don't go completely my way the first time I try something I just give up. That's a good policy to follow in everything, especially dating, stocks, and legislation.
There, did I get it right?
I sure am glad Bunny is working on this and not you.
Rocket Flyer Southeast Georgia
Forget about contacting Senators or trying to work with the House version. It's foolish to even try.
I live my life that way too. If things don't go completely my way the first time I try something I just give up. That's a good policy to follow in everything, especially dating, stocks, and legislation.
There, did I get it right?
I sure am glad Bunny is working on this and not you.
Rocket Flyer Southeast Georgia
- posted 18 years ago
Given that we still don't have answers to all the questions created by the
Hatchet/Coleslaw version which could even regulate what is currently
unregulated, I'd have to agree with Jerry.
Pass the original Enzi bill. Nothing less is acceptable.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
Pass the original Enzi bill. Nothing less is acceptable.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
- posted 18 years ago
Where does it leave us if the house version is as bad as the Hatchet /
Coleslaw version? Or worse?
Passing this bill as it is surrenders both our lawsuit and our challenges to the BATF NPRM. Without it we're one judicial decision away from freedom. With it we're dead.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
Passing this bill as it is surrenders both our lawsuit and our challenges to the BATF NPRM. Without it we're one judicial decision away from freedom. With it we're dead.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
- posted 18 years ago
If at first you don't succeed, GIVE UP! No use being a damn fool about
it. :)
Curtis
Curtis
- posted 18 years ago
What a crock of s@#$. Name me one company that's pushing the SEA. It's
the scared sheeple that are being soothed by this ridiculous law, not
big business.
Mark Simpson NAR 71503 Level II God Bless our peacekeepers
Mark Simpson NAR 71503 Level II God Bless our peacekeepers
- posted 18 years ago
You keep posting this crap, and I keep refuting it.
This legislation has been reviewed by our legal team working on the litigation.
They have counseled both TRA President Dick Embry and I that it does not impact the ongoing litigation.
How many times do I have to keep saying this before you get it?
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mark B. Bundick mbundick - at - earthlink - dot - net NAR President
This legislation has been reviewed by our legal team working on the litigation.
They have counseled both TRA President Dick Embry and I that it does not impact the ongoing litigation.
How many times do I have to keep saying this before you get it?
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mark B. Bundick mbundick - at - earthlink - dot - net NAR President
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- posted 18 years ago
I respectifully disagree.
Mike Enzi has already put a tremendous amount of time, energy, attention and personal political capital into this fight, for which, to the best of my knowledge, he has received $0.00 in campaign contributions. I'm not naive enough to suggest that money can't buy you access and attention, but that's not in play here. And to suggest that everything that goes on on Capitol Hill is money driven, particularly in this case, is inaccurate.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mark B. Bundick mbundick - at - earthlink - dot - net NAR President
Mike Enzi has already put a tremendous amount of time, energy, attention and personal political capital into this fight, for which, to the best of my knowledge, he has received $0.00 in campaign contributions. I'm not naive enough to suggest that money can't buy you access and attention, but that's not in play here. And to suggest that everything that goes on on Capitol Hill is money driven, particularly in this case, is inaccurate.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mark B. Bundick mbundick - at - earthlink - dot - net NAR President
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- posted 18 years ago
I've posted this before and I'll post it again.
Your choice is simple.
If you want to help preserve our hobby, write a letter today.
If you want to help ATF, do nothing.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mark B. Bundick mbundick - at - earthlink - dot - net NAR President
Your choice is simple.
If you want to help preserve our hobby, write a letter today.
If you want to help ATF, do nothing.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Mark B. Bundick mbundick - at - earthlink - dot - net NAR President
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- posted 18 years ago
Writing a letter to the senators supporting the original enzi bill with
no mas limits is a good idea. Why not? But considering where the bill
is at right now it will ultimately be futile. And when Wickman calls for
action be sure to do it, because he is the only industry leader
advocating and DEVELOPING unlimited access options.
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- posted 18 years ago
I would like to go on the record as generally agreeing with Mark Bundick
on this point.
So Mark, what is the status of the lawsuit. Is the next step the final answer?
Jerry
So Mark, what is the status of the lawsuit. Is the next step the final answer?
Jerry
- posted 18 years ago
"Jerry Irvine"
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Whoa.. Whoa there big fella...
Anyone who volunteers for anything might be a moron, but name calling is totally uncalled for. Mr. Bundick is trying to do something... Which should have merit even if it is not what you believe.
HDS
Whoa.. Whoa there big fella...
Anyone who volunteers for anything might be a moron, but name calling is totally uncalled for. Mr. Bundick is trying to do something... Which should have merit even if it is not what you believe.
HDS
- posted 18 years ago
Yes, it means one thing. A broken clock is right twice a day, which
is two minutes out of 1440 minutes each day.
Much like the broken clock Jerry can accidentally be right 0.00138% of the time too. Don't worry, he won't be right again for another 720 post.
Rocket Flyer Southeast Georgia
Much like the broken clock Jerry can accidentally be right 0.00138% of the time too. Don't worry, he won't be right again for another 720 post.
Rocket Flyer Southeast Georgia
- posted 18 years ago
OK, so I'll add your name to the Surrender column.
Thank you for playing.
Rocket Flyer Southeast Georgia
Thank you for playing.
Rocket Flyer Southeast Georgia
- posted 18 years ago
NAR paid for it, so that part of it is understandable (ego comment noted
and approved).
I beg him to simply make fewer errors to take blame for!
Big ass point!!
I beg him to simply make fewer errors to take blame for!
Big ass point!!
- posted 18 years ago
Oh give me a break. You and Bob Kaplow just love that saying. What was
I wrong about? I am curious. Please inform me quick so I can correct
my ways or call you on it. More likely B.
Jerry
Thanks Jerry; you are a wealth of knowledge. -- Richard "well, he is" Hickok
"I mean, old Mr. Prez is stumbling around like a drunk sailor - violating the bylaws, folks civil rights, Federal and State Law. You guys might ought to rein him in, seems to me." - John Cato
"HOWEVER, when organizations are involved in the regulation of a sport/hobby/etc activity, it seems to me, personally, that there ought to be at least the same level of openness and oversight as the government itself is required to demonstrate (which is still not enough, IMHO, but certainly more than none).
"Sometimes an avocation becomes a passion, and perhaps an obsession. Perhaps it's a control thing. Or a penchant for secrecy. Or a love of rules." - Ted Cochran
Jerry
Thanks Jerry; you are a wealth of knowledge. -- Richard "well, he is" Hickok
"I mean, old Mr. Prez is stumbling around like a drunk sailor - violating the bylaws, folks civil rights, Federal and State Law. You guys might ought to rein him in, seems to me." - John Cato
"HOWEVER, when organizations are involved in the regulation of a sport/hobby/etc activity, it seems to me, personally, that there ought to be at least the same level of openness and oversight as the government itself is required to demonstrate (which is still not enough, IMHO, but certainly more than none).
"Sometimes an avocation becomes a passion, and perhaps an obsession. Perhaps it's a control thing. Or a penchant for secrecy. Or a love of rules." - Ted Cochran
- posted 18 years ago
sadly mark I think Enzy is the Exception to the rule.
a very nice and PROPER exception but and exception nonetheless.
if only more politicians in power were like Enzy this country might not be heading down the deep dark hole its heading down :-(
Chris Taylor
a very nice and PROPER exception but and exception nonetheless.
if only more politicians in power were like Enzy this country might not be heading down the deep dark hole its heading down :-(
Chris Taylor
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