What is the status of the NAR/TRA Lawsuit?

Still waiting on a ruling from the judge. Unfortunately, he may be sitting on it, waiting to see what happens in Congress.

What IS the NAR/TRA lawsuit?

LOL

Hey, great question. We've been talking about it for so long we don't even know! ;)

In short, the 2 rocket clubs NAR and TRA are suing the federal government (BATFE) because they are not following the laws/rules congress mandated them to follow. Most importantly, we're asserting that they have no regulation over the rocket propellant APCP. I've listed the complete {descriptive} text of the 4 counts from the TRA website who's link is at the bottom.

Count 1) Because APCP is not "a chemical compound, mixture or device whose primary or common purpose is to function by explosion," APCP is not an "explosive" within the meaning of the civil provisions of the Explosives Control Act, and therefore, ATF lacks statutory authority to civilly regulate APCP pursuant to the Explosives Control Act.

Count 2) Defendant's inclusion of APCP on its 1999 annual explosives list violates 18 U.S.C. § 847 and 5 U.S.C. §§ 551(4) and 553(b) & (c) because ATF did not provide the public with reasonable notice of, or an opportunity to comment on, ATF's proposed inclusion of APCP on the list, and the rationale for such inclusion, prior to promulgating the list in final form.

Count 3) Defendant's civil regulation of individuals that purchase and store rocket motors violates 18 U.S.C. § 841(d) and 27 C.F.R. §§ 55.11 and

55.141(a)(8) because rocket motors are "special mechanized devices that either are actuated by a propellant or release and direct work through a propellant charge." (PAD or 55.141a8, Jerry's point)

Count 4) Defendant's civil regulation of individuals that purchase and store rockets that use more than 62.5 grams of APCP as a fuel source violates 18 U.S.C. § 847 and 5 U.S.C. §§ 551(4) and 553(b) & (c) because ATF did not provide the public with reasonable notice of, or an opportunity to comment on, ATF's decision (and its underlying rationale) to civilly regulate individuals that purchase and store rockets that use more than 62.5 grams of APCP as a fuel source, notwithstanding its exemption of those individuals that purchase and store rockets using the identical material containing no more than 62.5 grams of APCP as a fuel source.

Count 5) Wasn't there a count 5?

Joel. phx

Please donate to support the cause (skip lunch and send in $5):

Rocketry groups are filing suit against the BATF for illegally classifying APCP as an explosive, (it's not an explosive because it is not intended to and doesn't explode) changes to the rules as they go without due process, and arbitrairally setting limits on how much of a non-explosive a person can buy and store in an explosives magazine.

steve

"Joel Corwith" wrote in news:KLr3b.35$ snipped-for-privacy@news.uswest.net:

Yeah, I think they were a '60s era band...

len.

A large number of documents are available at

More will be added in the near future.

-Kevin

(have to be at least 45 to get this one)

Bada, da, da, da, da.........

Gary Owens: Tea cup... Tyrone F. Horni: That's a big girl. Gary Owens: Z cup.... Tyrone F. Horni: That's a really big girl!

Da, da, da da, da, da.......

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Randy

How do you figure that? The link you posted says ""Psychotic Reaction" was the only album Count Five would ever release. Originally released in 1966..."

Mario Perdue NAR #22012 Sr. L2 for email drop the planet

"X-ray-Delta-One, this is Mission Control, two-one-five-six, transmission concluded."

NAR is suing TRA. TRA is suing ARSA. ARSA is suing themselves.

Nope, the countess was only married 4 times.

-john

False.

Once TRA arrived it cooped all ownership of letters it used and self-determined jurisdiction over them. It was not till later NAR assumed rights to its pre-owned latters, too late to file before the statute of limitations on TRA's later affirned claim.

Jerry

We have a local R&B band calling themselves "Count 'n Change".

or

The TRA page has the original, not the amended version which has the additional counts.

While the amended complaint is not available, by reading between the lines of other documents, count 5 has to do with "Easy Access" motors.

Joel Corwith wrote:

I'm sorry the thread got this wacked. When I did a deja search to find the counts, someone a while back said something about count 5. I didn't list it because there isn't one in the document I quoted from on the TRA documents page. Is there only 4 counts in the lawsuit?

Thanks, Joel. phx

My mistake. It's the CD that's new. I thought the album cover looked a little dated.

Bill Spadafora

or or NARTS snipped-for-privacy@comcast.net snipped-for-privacy@billsplumbing.com

There was a fifth count that was dismissed by the judge. That related to the original placement of APCP on the "explosives" list back in the 70's. Judge dismissed it due to statute of limitations having expired.

Veeeerrrrry Eeeenterestink...

I haf to tell zat one to ze guys at ze beeeeer hall.

"clap...... clap...... clap....."

Roy Green, Atlanta

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